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DEFENDS HERSELF ? ^ I 1>R. SAUNDERS AKRAK1NS HER VII.K HIJANDKHKHS. BLEASE AMONG NUMBER She Says She Regards Remarks of Governor Rlease ami l)r. Griflln as Slanders ami is Only Seeking Vindication of ller Character, Personal and Professional. "I had no idea then that Governor Bleaso had witten any letters. Wo talked of it quite late. I thought of it all night. We went down tho next morning to tho room. I had read Governor Rlease's letters .before I went into tho room and I thought they were most unjust. "And we went down to the meeting and, of course, tho harrowing circumstances you already know. Of course I remember quite a littlo of it. Rut certain remarks and the reading of those letters of course burned into my whole being like burnished steel. 1 felt that they were most unjust and most untrue. And, in fact I considered the remarks of Dr. Griflln and letters of Governor Rleaso as slander. HT I ? 1 -- 1 ^ ' ? 1 * i ii iuii viinuy m Biiow mem inai day that what I had done was for the hospital's Rood, and if they had not objected previously, not given me warning, that it was rather unfair then not to give a chance to even have nn honorable discharge. "I sinsisted to them that day that I was not insisting on the retention of the position; that 1 simply wanted a clearing of the chargo of even any insinuation, of wrongdoing, morally or professionally, on my part." Answers Her Detractors. Thus Sleanora It. Saunders, M. 1)., the young woman physician at the State Hospital for tho Insane, Wednesday spoke to the special legislative committee that is investigating tho asylum. She was on the stand for nearly two hours and in that time demonstrated that sho is one of the most important parts of tho State's institution for tho care of unfortunates. When sho was making her dramatic recital of tho ilght that haB been waged against her by tho men physicians and tho governor of South Carolina in connection with the asylum, tears came to her eyes for a minute, but sho quickly regained her composure and proceeded ably to defend her position at every point. She won the admiration of the large number of spectators and when the hearing was concluded, and even before, when Bho would make telling points In her defense, the crowd cheered her. Fey questions were asked by members of the committee. Dr. Saunders spoke rapidly and had documents in the supreme court room to prove hoi various statements. One by one slu dissected the various charges made by the assistant physicians. There were dissipated ono by ono. Dr. Saunders reviewed in detail hei work at tho asylum, showing that the i . best systems for tho benefit of the patients have been installed in hei department. She told tho committee very plainly that she loved her work that she lived for her work, that she had no other interests in life thar the care of the insane white womer of South Carolina and that her greai ambition was to build up every de partment of the State Hospital foi the Insane. Sho said that if she hac trespassed on the rights of othei members of tho medical staff, it was done unconsciously and that whatevei _ J A ... if 4 i. ? ? ../ii . r it. . wits uouu was ior uio uciieui 01 m< Inmates. She showed no malice to ward any one and was not .bitter Ir ) her statements. She said that sh< was merely making a plea for the vln dlcatlon of her moral and professions character. No Cross-examination. ! When she had concluded her test! mony, Chairman Mauldln of the com mittee asked if any of the member: of the medical staff desired to cross examine her. This question was re peated and the proceedings were halt ed for several minutes. Not one re sponse was received. "Would you like to mako a state ment, Dr. Carouthers?" was the ques tion addressed to the chairman o the board of regents by the commit tee. "No." came the reply. This ended the testimony of Dr Saunders. Many rushed forward i( grasp her hand and congratulate he upon the manner of her defense. Following is the official stone graphic report of the testimony of Di Saunders in part: As I said, I did not ask to remair I asked for exoneration. Thla the did not grant me. And I thought j the governor did not Intend to slari der me, or if he did Intend to Bland*1 me. It wub moat unfair that ho Bhoul Bay It was for my best Interests t cover It up and let It be at an en' for I felt It was better for it to bo i the open. If there was a scandal a the hospital, that the woman ph} slclan who had charge of 600 pattern was guilty of immoral conduct, sh would foster It In her nurses and pi \ tlents, and I vainly tried to tell thei | that my efforts had been for the goo of tho place, and I vainly tried t.v tell them that I had done no wrong. And I think it was moat unfair for them to ask mo to quietly retire and leave men who were jot friendly to tell the reasons why. Prosecutor and Judge. I felt then and I feel now that if Governor Bleaso had heard sufficient remarks to justify his writing those letters that he wrote, that ho should at least have said what tho renia-k was, from whenco it came, and if he should think that it was sufficient to cause all of tho decent women in tho Stato hospital to retire, that he should let me have a further explanation. I felt that it was rather unfair to mo that the governor should act both as prosecutor and judge in my case. And if tho purpose of tho meeting was complaints and not charges, as I>r. Carouthers has said, then 1 wonder why Mr. Bivens said: (Heads tho Bivens resolution finding that the charges were true and asking that she resign.) I felt to close tho matter Jen would be most unfair to me, to my nurses and to my patients. I felt then, just as I do now, that the white women nurses is the hospital's most valuable asset. Not a Matter to Hush Pp. 1 saw no reason why I should accept tho accusation that 1 was the reason for tho leaving of the institu nun uy an in 1110 uecent women. 1 felt that up to this time tho patients' families had had confidence in me, that they had turned them over to my care, and I \va< unwilling to have anything occur to make them think loss of mo or to think mo unworthy, that is, without a fair trial, v hlch I feel that 1 did not get. I felt then, as I do now, that it was tho fairest thing for me, for my nurses and for my patients, to have tho matter out in open public. I was rather wounded to hear that peoplo would think that because 1 cared for certain diseases that I am unwomanly. I feel that if women have to suffer, it is nothing short of humane for some to help. As I say, I regarded tho letters written by Governor Mease and tho remarks of l)r. Griflln as an attack upon my moral character, and I was not willing to allow a shadow to remain on my character; hence 1 demanded of the board of regents an Investigation that would clear my good name. 1 felt they refused mo an honorable discharge. 1 felt that they had not given mo a fair trial. And I felt it my duty to let them know at that time, not wait six months later and tell them that T was not satisfied with their decision. Seeks Only Exoneration. , And I again insisted that I was not . contending then, as I am not con. tending now, for my retention, for my position, as woman physician at tho State hospial; but I am contending I for my reputation. I want to say now, as I tried to say then, that what . I did was for the good of the patients, , in my own department tlrst, in other L departments later, and I felt in su - doing that 1 have done no more than nnv nllifir wnmnn In mv nlnnn wrkiilil - ,? "V 1WWV4.XI 3 havo clone. I want to repeat that I am not con tending for retention of the position which I have held for the last seven years, but I am pleading for my vin dication and my exoneration. Wo will publish the balance of Dr. Saunders' testimony in our next issue, as wo want our readers to have all the facts in the case of this noble young woman, who has .been most shamefully treated by Gov. lllease and others. , I)R. CLINKSCALES ACTIVE. ? Fretting People a.now lie's in Race for Governor. Of the various candidates for gov ernor of South Carolina to succeec Cole L. Bleaso probably none is .more ^ activo than Dr. John G. Clinkscales - professor of mathematics at Wofforc 1 college. Dr. Clinkscales has jus concluded an exteisivo trip in the Pec Deo section, where ho was greetec - by larg audience3. .He declard tha - ho was getting to bo better known a: s a candidate for governor than as i - professor at Wofford. Ho deliverec - addresses at Dillon, Bishopvillo anc - Latta and was well received. "Wherever I go," said Dr. Clink scales, "I get expressions of bes - wishes for my candidacy and I coun - my strength from almost every class.' f Dr. Clinkscales' campaigning - which is carrying him all over th< State, has not been permitted by hln to interfere with his work at Wof ford. He delivered twelve speecho d In January without missing a class r He addressed the Woodmen of th World at Piedmont on Saturday am on Sunday preached at Beaumon * Methodist church. Dr. Cllnkscale is running for governor on a compul ' sory education platform. y , , t Lynching in Mississippi. ,r Stopping a train near Love, Miss 4 late Monday, a mob forced the sher 0 iff to deliver to them a negro accusei of murdering a white planter. Ho wa n hanged from a nearby trestle. it m m f. Took Mean Rev nge. s Because they foiled to find mor ie valuable booty In her home, burglar i- cut ofT nt the roots the hair of Mri ru Chart** Blackburn, In Philadelphlc >d and escaped. BURST INTO TEARS ? ? ATMOSPHERIC OF INSINUATION AGAINST HIS FATHER. ? , DR. TAYLOR TESTIFIES ? Member of Hoard of Regents Tells of Executive Session, From Whiclt Dr. SuundorH' Lawyer, ller Father ami Stenographer, Were Excluded on Motion of (jovernoi IJlensc. That Governor Please, in executive session of tlvo board of regents of the State Hospital for the Insane, on December 12, 1913, by word and manner, cast insinuation and insult on Dr. lOleanora !. Saunders, woman physician at the asylum, was testified to Tuesday afternoon before the asylum investigating committee, by Dr. Julius II. Taylor of Columbia, member of tho board of regents, who was present throughout the entire executive session. Not alone the professional standing, but the character of Dr. Saunders, wore brought into question by tho governor time and again by the insinuating nature of tho questions which ho asked and tho statement which ho made, said Dr. Taylor. The fact that, in his opinion, Dr. Saunders' personal chara nor had been attacked was the reason, said Dr. Taylor, why ho would not vote for a resolution, introduced and adopted, stating that no personal charges bad been mado, and that it was for the best interests of tho lady and everybody olso concerned that the investigation begun at that time bo dropped. Dr. Taylor stated that, in ids opinion, the character of the woman physician had been brought into question and that the wording of the resolution implied that an investigation might substantiate the charges. Dr. Taylor paid high tribute to tlie character of Dr. Saunders as a woman and as a physician, declaring that she was "head and shoulders above any other subordinate member of tho medical staff". All of the charges made by her fellow physicians at the executive session, "were absolutely puerile," said Dr. Taylor, who explained that thoy related to removing a tnblo from a certain room, use of a typewriter, and similar allegations. "Yet unconsciously every physician who testified there against her paid the most magnificent tribute to her work and her ability," said Dr. Taylor. As to the executive session, Dr. > Taylor said that every one except : members of tho board of regents, Col. John K. Anil, private secretary to the governor, and members of tho asylum , medical staff were excluded on mo' tion of Governor Rlease. Among > those excluded inder this order, he i said, were lawyers for Dr. Saunders, 1 her father and her stenographer, Mr. A. M. Deal. "The wholo meeting was surcharg1 ed with an atmosphere of insinua' t ions airainst l)r Sanndnrs " H.nhl I )r Taylor, who told of questions asked by Governor Illease, In his opinion. Involving tho character of the lady physician. There woro so frequently > and so insistently made, said I)r. Tay> lor, that Dr. Saunders burst into : tears, as lie thought any other lady > would have done under the circumstances. Dr. Taylor stated that It was his impression that tho statement by I)r. Griflln, in reply to a question, that 5 Dr. Saunders "is supposed to be a singlo woman", had been made in an insinuating tone. Dr. GrKTin has de nled to tho committee that ho iu1 tended any reflection whatever on the 3 moral character of Dr. Saunders by , tho use of that phrase. Aftor tho meeting had proceed for ^ sonio time, testified Dr. Taylor, Mr. 1 DIvens drew a paper from his pocket ' and introduced It as a resolution. ^ condemning Dr. Saunders and Dr. 3 llabcock for continuing to oermit the 1 visits of Dr. Cooper to tho asylum 1 after ho had failed of re-election. Dr. * Taylor said that he expressed strong condemnation of tho resolution, and - moved that Dr. Saunders and Dr. t llabcock be exonerated, but there was t no second to his motion. 't At ~ O \ 1 <1 liUCi iutu:iiu^ ui tllU UUllTU, " testified Dr. Taylor, Mr. 0. L. Saun0 ders camo and requested that the a hearing bo re-opened for tho sake of Introducing testimony in support of 9 his daughter. lie said ho moved to '* re-open tho matter, but tho board refused to do so, passing tho resolution to the effect that no charges had bcefi 1 preferred against tho character of 8 Dr. Saunders. Since ho had been connected with tho asylum for eight years, said l)r. Taylor, he had never heard a single circumstance reflecting on Dr. Saun.. dors' chfirnotor. Dr. Tavlor ntntnd - that* ho had known much of lier d work and the work of the Institution s as a whole, for the reason that he lives In Columbia, and, as a member of the board of regents, made frequent visits to the asylum, e Dr. Taylor reviewed the work bea ing done in all of the departments ol i. the State Hospital and stated that in i, none of them is the character of the work of high a nature as in the white female department, which is under the supervision of Dr. Saunders. He told hom Dr. Saunders kept an accurate record of every one of her six hundred patients, and gave other instances of her signal ability and interest in her work. Dr. Taylor, in the course of his testimony, took occasion to pay a high trlbuto to the work of Dr. Cooper, the Hospital pathologist, whom tho board did not re-elect at the July meeting, and Dr. llabcock, the superintendent. That Dr. Saunders in handing objectionable diseases at tho asylum did only what every other woman physician does, and that it was her duty to do so, wore other statements made by Dr. Taylor. "She is not in the least degree less womanly for attending to these cases," said Dr. Taylor. Asked as to what steps should be taken to restore scientific management at the hospital, Dr. Taylor said: "Wipe out the board of regents." It was his opinion that no institution could be scientifically managed with a system of dual government, and that all power should be vested in the superintendent. He thought the Virginia plan ideal, which provides a legislative committee, which receives the report of the superintendent and consults with him at his request, but which has no powers. Dr. Taylor, in the beginning of his testimony, stated that there was friction among the members of the ooard of regents and among the members of the asylum medical staff. There had been no unpleasantness on tho former l\no r<l on h lol? 1? r? 1-* nt o * tsvscii kjit u 1111,11 nv; out v uu, ut; nuiit'u, and tho cause of the trouble here seemed to bo in the attitude of tho other members of the board toward himself. Ho related how an alleged incident of unkind treatment toward a patient had been generally considered by tho other members of tho board, but be had not been informed of tho occurrence. All complaints from members of the asylum medical staff had been made to other members of tho board than himself, ho said. Dr. Taylor told how, on one occasion, three members of the board met at a Columbia hotel, and ho later asked why he was not asked to bo present, and was told that they hadn't thought to send for me," though, said Dr. Taylor, they later told the investigating committee that they had not sent for him because of tho well known friendship between himself, Dr. Babcock and Dr. Saunders. "I objected to their sinuous courso in this matter," said Dr. Taylor. Dr. Taylor said that ho had known of tho friction on tho medical staff for some time, and on several occasions wanted tho board of regents to call for tho resignation of certain physicians, who, ho felt, wero insubordinate to Dr. Babcock, but Dr. Babcock protested against any action being taken. ? WALK MBS PLBA1) GUILTY. ? Sentenced for Killing Allendale Chief of Police. The case of the State against J. F. Walker and Ben. Walker was called for trial at Hampton Monday and tho defendants through their attorneys announced their readiness to proceed io inai ana mo iriai was commenced. The Walkers were charged with the killing of J. H. Harter, chief of police of Allendale, at Lena, in Hampton County last September. The shooting of Mr. Harter attracted much talk and newspaper comments from a news and editorial standpoint just after the occurrence. When the court was called together and the defendants, upon being arraigned, entered pleas of guilty of manslaughter which pleas were accepted by tho solicitor and approved by tho court and sentences were passed, whereby J. F. Walker, was sentenced to the public works of Hampton county for a period of ten years and his son, Hen. Walker, was sentenced to the public works of Hampton county for a period of five years. An unusual interest was manifested in this case there being on tho court yard and in tho court room a great crowd of people, about 100 of whom were witnesses. * ^ ? ? LEAPS FROM WINDOW. N>gro Jumps From Train Moving Fifty Miles an Hour. Tipple Lewis, a negro, convicted ol murder in Emanuel county, Ga., in 1912, who escaped from Swainsborc Jail on Christmas was probably totally injured when he Jumped from t fust train on the Atlantic Coast Lint near Florence, Thursday, while beinj returned to Georgia. He was locatec some time ago in Camden, N. J. Dep uty Sheriff E. L. Currio of Dublir went to Camden for him, had requi i sition papers signed Wednesday ant started homo. He suspected tho ne gro, who Is desperate, of trying tc ' plan an escape at Richmond and pu leg Irons on him just before reaching i Florence, whllo arranging to chang< to an Augusta train. Lowis raise< , the window and slipped through striking the ground on his chin. Th< . train was running 60 miles an hou when he jumped. Lewis was plcke( i up by the train which ran back fo > him, paralyzed from his neck dowi i and otherwise Internally Injured. ) ' MAIL 0 No need to send to the big you want. We have it here at t er. You owe us a trial anywa require and let us figure on it. selves out to execute mail or prompt attention. lorick & low HARDVi columbi isdelights on asylum STKVKNSON KOAMTS m\lv>.s Ai IIKAIUNC. 'I Vssistant Physician Pulinor Takes IOxcept ion to Dr. Taylor's State- . i incut It 11 ( I fitter Molds Mis (iroiind. We give below two interesting extracts from the stenographic report of last Tuesday's hearing of the asylum investigation. Mr. J. D. IMvens w one of the regents was on tho stand Tuesday. Following is a part of his examination: Mr. IMvens: Mr. Chairman, I want to make a statement before that sir. That tho puestions?that 1 will _ only answer any puestion that is pertinent or germane to tho main puestion. There are some questions that they may ask that 1 am not going to answer positively. 1 want to bo plain and I want you all to understand me. I think this?1 think it " would have beee the proper thing for Dr. Saunders to have her lawyer in here. She is a lady and she may bring out questions and tho reply may be harsher than it ought to be. So for that reason I think she ought _ to have her lawyer. Mr. Stevenson: Mr. Chairman, 1 think the committee will bo in a better position to do the determining as to what is relevant and it is not the business of the witness to do that. Courts usualy determine that?what is relevant and pertinent. < Later in tho hearing: Mr. Stevenson: Tho witness stat- r ed that he thought Dr. Saunders ought to have her lawyer here? Mr. IMvens: How is that, sir? I Mr. Stevenson: Did 1 understand von to sav that von ttioinrht Ilr Saunders ought to have u lawyer hero to represent her? Mr. Bivens: 1 understand that 1 Dr. Saunders had a lawyer. 1 Mr. Stevenson: Do you think she I needs it any wose than sho did at that executive session? i Mr. Divens: No. sir, I do not suppose. Mr. Stevenson: Why did the board exclude him then, if sho needs it now ? Mr. Bivens: My reason for that is tills, that Dr. Saunders is a lady and if they are going through a quiz it is preferable coming through a lawyer, because the reply may be a little harsh and I would not? Mr. Stevenson: But when sho is on trial you think it is better not to have a lawyer?and then you are the jury? Mr. Bivens: I think it would bo a good plan to have a lawyer along with them. At the afternoon session last Tues-< (lay Dr. Fulmer, Assistant physician at the State Hospital for the Insane and I)r. Julius 11. Taylor, a regent of the institution had an interesting exchanfe of words. Following ia the stenographic report of a part of their testimony. derSaunsP. -saoto Dr. Fulmer: I want to know if I)r. Taylor knows about my medical career? Dr. Taylor: No sir. Q. Have I ever been called into a case with you? A. No, sir. Q. Why do yoh state that Dr. Saunders is head and shoulders above evory other doctor in the institution? A. .because I believe her to bo. Q. Why? I know the work she ' has done, doctor and 1 know something of your work. Q. Have you ever been in the col' orod female departuent to see what 1 records I have? A. I said so far as ) I know you have no records. nave you oeen ovor mere to 1 seo? A. No, sir, I haven't seen your 5 rocords. Q. As far as operating, havo you ovor dono any operating for the t white femalo department? A. Yea. Q. I do not recall for tho colored I male. Q. White male? A. Yea. ) Q. Have you dono in tho colored t department sinre I havo boon there? r A. No, sir. s Q. There have been oyeratlona go1 Ing on for different things. I have , dono thorn myself. As t oreaulta, I 3 lan show you. That is Just about r the point I wanted to bring out?why i you made the statement that she is r "head and shoulders above?" A. l That is my opinion. Q. That statement was also made I RDERS 1 mail order houses for what I * he same price?if not cheap- I y. Send a list of what you I ^ We have specially laid our ders and you may rely on I RANGE, INC., I > /ARE I A, S. C. I THE HORRY HERALD CONWAY, S. C. ' Published Kvery Thursday. PHURSDAY, FKItlU AKY 2?, UH t PROCESSIONAL CARDS. If. II. WOODWARD, Attorney and Counsellor at Law. CONWAY, S. C. If. It. SCARBOROUGH. Attorney at Law. CONWAY, S. C. H. IL BURROUGHS, Physician and Surgeon. CONWAY, S. C. W. E. McCORI). Dental Surgeon. CONWAY, S. O. RENE RAVENEL, I .and Surveying and Drainage. Spivey Building, Conway, S. O. RESCUED AT SEA. Itevenuo Cutter Saves Seven Charleston Negroes From Death. Coming into Charleston harbor Thursday afternoon for mail, the revonuo cutter Yamacraw, Capt. Henderson, sighted seven negroes on the South Jetty. They were members of the crew of the gasoline fisbing mnapl/ Quo floli ?> uvuuaii) n intl) Ililll Ultima Oil the rocks after her engines had broken down. The unfortunate fishermen were waving shirts, oilskins and other articles of wearing apparel when the Yamacraw hove in sight Nearing the Jetty Capt. Henderson ordered a surf hoat to he manned for the rescuo of the negroes. Because of the northeast galo and the rougli seas, the men in the surf boat had considerable difllculty in reaching tho rocks. . The Seaflsh is said to have been an independent fishing smack and to have been owned by "Lucky" Smith and "Sonny" Simmons, both of thom colored. They are said to have been among tho sevon aboard when the craft, which they purchased about a month ago, was wrecked. When tho Seafish struck tho rocks the fishermen clambered on tho rocks. They had to stand for more than an hour in tho water before tho Yamacraw, at about 4:45 o'clock, rescued them. The men all suffered somewhat from exposure, and said their hour on tho rocks seemed like a very much longer period. See Blazing Funeral. The sight of an automobile hearse containing a body and ablaze from end to f?nd nttropinfl o nnn ?wi ~??, ?.VI uvvbU fa,VUU puuuo" trians of New York Thursday. The body was removed from the blazing hearse by the poliee. Convicts Faithful to Trust. Only one of the 52 convicts sent to the "honor camp" at Grand Detour, 111., to build a road, was false to his trust, having attempted to smuggle a flask of whiskey into his tent. For Hog Cholera Fight. Representative Lever, under syspension of the rules Monday has the house nnss hlo o ~ ? r-r win v?j/i iaui $f>00,000 for the extermination of hog cholera and $100,000 for serum. The bill has already passed the senate. by Col. Aull . Dr. Fulmer then asked Dr. Taylor what o based his opinion on. To which Dr. Taylor replied: "Well, doctor, I avo seen and heard you in tho Columbia Medical socioty and I have come in contact with you for tho last few years and I have seen Dr. Saunders and her work, and I repeat my statement that she Is head and soulders above any member ' of the etaff." |