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.SANDERSON INTELLIGENCER FOUNDER AUGUST I. 18?*. IM Weit Whittier Street A3DKBS0N, 8. C W. W. 8M0AK, Editor ana Bu?. Mer le. ADAMS.Managing Editor. U M. GLENN.C.ty Editor HUBLP8 8A8SEEN, Advertising Mgr. V. B. GODFREY,... Circulation Mgr. Catered aa second-claes matter Ap ril tl, 1114, at tea post office at An ?tape, South Carolina, under the Act MMhrch 3. 117$. ?Jg j Member ot Associated Preen ?ad Receiving Complete Dally Telegraphic m II ? k r ? . TELEPHONES Editorial and Business Office.Itt. ?eh Printing .693-L ~SUBSCH1PTI0N BATES . jKWeehlr Oe? Teer .11.60 Ste Mentha .75 Safir pee Teer.$5.00 Six Months . 2.60 Months. 116 The intelligencer ii delivered by carriers ta the city. If you tail to 8ft year paper regularly please notify Opposite your name on the .?b9l of your paper ls printed date to welch our paper ls psld. AU checks ead draft? ejrauJA be drawn to Th? Anderson IntalHiepcer. _ THE WEATHER. Boat* CarMlbai Fair Wednesday, colder la rant parlions j Thursday fata. . O Ooooooooooooooonoo ? OUB DAILY POEM. o o o ooooooooooooooooooo Hew Did You Die! Did you tackle the trouble that came .your way With a resoluto heart and cheerful? Qr" hlilc your face from the light away. With a ora ven noni and fearful? Oh, a trouble's a ton or a trouble's an ounce. Ot a trouble is Just Vhat you make lt. It isn't the fact that you're hurt that counts; But it's only how did you take lt? Vdu are beaten to earth? Well, well. .;" w?iat's that? Come UP with a smiling face. It's nothing affinst you to fall down flat ; Bat to lie there-that's the cVsgrace. '1wa; harder you're thrown, why the higher you bounce. Be'proud of your blackened eye! lt isn't'tbY fact that you're licked that .' counts; H's how did,you fight-and why? And tho you be done to death, what thea? " If you've dope the best you could, 'If you've ployed your part in the world of men Why, the;Great Critic will call it good. And death comes with a creep or comes wllf\ a pounce. Sui whether he's slow or spry. lt isn't the fact that you're dead that counts; But how did you die-and why? -EDMUND VANCE COOKE. THE ANDERSON IDEA* We desire, to hold up to the people fit Anderson County tho almost unan imous vote cast by the qualified elec tors yesterday for street paving in Anderson. Here is a city with a tax levy already of 23 mills, which has the n$tve io Increase this to pay for the y interest and sinking fund on a bond ed debt ot ari additional $100,000 which I? all tho city can vote on~it d#lf as It reaches the maximum. In "afc this the people of Ander wili Vote almost solidly for the county bond proposition, which will dish add to their taxes another'three nnilfc. What we cannot understand ls. .a'lyf?. wa ere honest in saying that it ls' il? genuine puzsle of thlB county bond proposition, why any citisen of a rural t&Jjtt lei. should be opposed to the bond t?ioe for building good roads lc An derson County. It honestly appears io be a case of "I am resolved td'die, you shall not feed me," and we see thc,good reason for lt. In to this the man living out Ity will have the privilege ?? the roads, and they will use tta^v4o a much larger extent than dp^eple of the ?Uy. In other words ?~Wmf,t The Intelligencer wishes to seo ls tW'people ot the entire county '..?iii, with the "Anderron Idea." and hide their fear of doing things. In other woKis. have faith In their county and confidence in the integrity of bur citlaens. Let us build, not for the present, but for the future. Let uni' for those things which will .'her towards makin?; ?his corn ey, the banner county in the State.-or rainer Seeping tt Gie banner county. Voling a bond Issue of $750,000 will gtVe this county stich a boost in the ryes of the Siate and the nation, that ttttt j^slt ber up to the front lin? .imong the counties of any fitatc in .progressiveness and In faith In county. What citizen would not proud to belong to auch a com What have those who oppose the t Issue to olTer that will offset the prestige that will Ix- ours if it be I aided forth that the people of derson County had not the nerve vote for good roads. "It must b funny people" ti:ey will say, and t will go on and say further: "lt w< have been better for the Andel delegation to have done as did tl: ofQreenvllleand Richland." Surely faith of our delegation in the progi slvene-ss. ?if our people was not ii planed". 'Get tho . Anderson Idea." hobst a blt Il nt IM IE, FOR ANDERSON! N-?k ? ; htwMI. the ' election ls over and boiWi-liavc been voted for ?street p ina> urAi>>'' rsum It HUH u lands! and fully Justified the faith Thc telligencer had In tho progressive i izens of Andersen. Thus passes other epoch li? thc forward march this city, which will, we trust, n bpcome ns well known as a city good streets as lt has been known "The Electric city." The commissioners who hi charge of this street building, are u who have the confidence of the cc munit y, as was evidenced hy the ov whelming'voti-' cast "for the bond sue. if nd it not been thus, the bc Issuc'-wcrultl have been defeated by large a? majority as it was carried and Anderson would have had to wi die along In the mud. The Intelligc cer saw this would be the result i less the commission were remov from any suspicion of politics, a hence our light td have the matt taken out of tho hands of thc c! council, and entrusted to a non-po tical and non-partisan commission. Th? Intelligencer desires to cc gratul?te the city on Its vote mid t chance to secure paved streets. I the work begin aud proceed rapid so if possible, the winter rains w not be feared with the feeling of dre usual at the approach of the cc weather. The gentlemen who ha thlB matter in charge will now be? to erect a monument which will e dure long nftei they are gone frc the scene ot their labore, and n walking on the golden streets of tl Uaw Jerusalem. May the memory their work be that of onplause f duty fearlessly and well done, ai may they bring to this task the sat cct?l ami "delib?rate"business acum< which haB characterized the busine careers of many of them. Our hats are off to you. gentleme We want paved streets. We ha shown our faith in you. Now she us what you can do, and we shall ev feel grateful. FF T? THE COMMISSION. In this jssue we have an artic from the pen of Leon L. Rice, Esc who advances an argument whit seems plausible, and which will ei abie the street paving commissioner it adopted by them, to stretch the pa' lng over several other streets. H argument, in brier, ls that the eil and not the property owner? alon the streets In which the car lines rm benefit by thc amount of paving to t done by the. street car lines. It 1 provided that the owners ot the cit railway-system pave their tracks an a certain distance on cither side. M Rice's contentton ls thst this pavln done by? the railway system should' g to tho . city to be used for addition; paving, and that the property holder along thes? streets, pay, an the Uv says they shall, for halt the cost c tho paying on their streets. On th fact of lt.. this, proposition seems Jue and proper. Of course this matter will be up t Ibo commission, and they will decid upon a just nnd equitable manner a handling this proposition. Should th; commission decide, that the cost of th paving done by the street railway be tongs to tho city, it will mean an ad dltlonal revenue of about $35,000 which used as the'other bond funds will in paying for half the cost o paving, amount to about $70.000 wortl ot additional paving, or about one third more, if tho commission de cides that the cost of this paving be longs to the dty tb be used as th? other bond funds. it'WIR not accure t< the advantage of any resident ot an other street, for s.indi resident will have to pay one-third tbs coat of pav ing the street adjoining his property no matter what be> done with thc street railway paving fund. It will not. either, be a hardship to tbs res ident of the streets in which thc cai line runs, fbr lt will mean only thal Much property owner pay for two feel of paving additional. This, however ls one or the interesting questions thc commission will have to decida Tht position will be taken by some thal had it been known that the funds de rived from the street railway paving would not accure to the benefit of thc property helder on auch streets, they would not have voted for the bond is sue. But thts would have been the case, a* the sentiment was so strong for paving. .Mi-) i . M . V iii,'] . ; foooooooooooooooooooo .> o ? PAV FOR CAR-LINK PA VING'. ?? c o O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O Editor Tin- Intelligencer: I rejoice greatly In the succ?s? of (he election on yesterday. Ii is a long step forward and does honor to the citizens ci' Anderson. If I thought that the opinion 1 am about to express would in uny way d<duy or hinder pav ing I would refrain expressing il. There will be many who will not agree with me. und If In their dis agreement ?hey will accord me the same respect for my view us I grunt to them, then what I shall have to say will not cause uny dissension in our ranks. I am zealous, for more paving, and to make the bond issue go as far as possible towards cover ing the principal streets of the city. If in my view I am right we will In able to pave a few more miles of streets than we would be able to pave un'er the present impresi?n. The commissioners are all good men and 1 am sure will uccept whatever view their consciences dictate, und if I am wrong, those who disagree with me will please be so charitable as to give me credit for trying by plain construction to stretch the paving ter ritory a few miles longer. I refer to paving along thc car line of the city. It is a part of the franchise that the car company is to keep the streets along their right of way in as good coniition as the re mainder of the street, and this will necessitate paving along the right of wuy wherever the street Is paved. Now the question submitted to the people was this: Shall the city of Anderson issue bomb; in the sum of not exceeding one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000), (he. proceeds there of o be used solely for the perma nent improvement of public streets, or parts of same, in said city, where one half the cost of such improvements is paid by abutting property owners? You will observe that one of the conditions of this permanent improve ment is that one halt of the cost of such improvements shall be paid by abutting property owners. A rea sonable construction of this would mean that Uiosc who own abutting property on the street shal pay one half of the total cost of the paving,and it does not say who shall pay the other half. My construction is that where there is a car line the car com pany shall help the city pay the other half. The franchise under which the car line ls operated is a gift of the city at large. One ol the conditions on which it is granted is that it shall help the city to keep the right of way in as good condition as the rest of the street, and it is no more the con sent of .the abutting property owners than -of any other tax payer or voter In the city. Rut sumo argue that the car company does Its own paving. Carry it to the logical conclusion and let each abutting property do his own paving of 1-4 and thu.result will be UtHt the city paves' the rest. So you have it as follows: the car company paves its right of way, each abutting pioperty owner paves 1-4 of a lotti of 1-2 to both abutting property own ers, and the city under Its bond issue paves the rest. Take a street that bas no car line for an illustration. In that case there ls no question'but that the abutting property owners pay one half the cost of any Improvements and the city the other half, and my argu ment ls that if the esr Ruc is deducted before the division ls made between the city und the abutting property owner, then the abutting property owner does not pay one half of the cost of such improvement. Remember that one of the conditions of the bond issue was that the abutting property owner should pay one half. The result of this procedure would mean that the city has in its control not only the $100.000 raised by tbe bond Isuue. but the total amount of the cost of paving between car tracks, all of which they could use as their half of the cost of permanent improve ments. Can't you vee that this will give us a few 'more miles of paving? Do we need it? Is lt a hardship on the property owners along a car line? We voted that they too should pay one half the cost of tho improvement and if the car line ls expected they won't do ,2t. The franchise belongs to the city and it ts nothing more than right that the city should use lt.in paying for its one half, and that the abutting property owner should not have his ont halt of the cost of the improve ment .reduced by this amount.. It comes down to this one point. Should the city have the right to add the benefits of the car line space to the bond Issue BO as to increase lt,s capital with which to pave, nr.. should lt' al lot its franchise to inure to the bene fit only ot abutting property owners. My answer is that it should Inure to the benefit of the people who gave the franchise and that means the city at large. Then all abutting property owners will truly pay one half the cost "f improvements, but not until then. I have tried to condense this per haps at the expense of failing to make myself clear. I do not want a con troversy and will not have any. I have been approached by a few men who asked my opinion and I gave it to them as I give it now. I would not put Thyself In the way ot paving, and do not intend that this shall be so construed. I am perfectly willing to pay one half the cost ot permanent improvements where I ara ? so for tunato us to have abutting property, and shall be willing although the com mission decrees that the car line should be shared only by the abutting property owners. In other words I sm not a kicker and wilt not stand in the way of paving. I Just want a little more paving and I sec no in justice in this way of getting lt. On the contrary lt seems to me that the : only equitable disposition to make of the proceeds arising from the provis ions of the public franchise, is u. give Its benefits to the city at large. LEON 1* LICE TILLMAN RECITES HISTORY OF BILL NO "FAMILY AFFAIR" IN DISTRIBUTING JOBS PRAISE FOR BYRNES With Help of Congressman Sena tor Says He Was Able to Create Court To thc Editor ot The State: I have Just seen In The State of Sat urday Mr. McGowan's report of how JobH caused by the creation of the western district were portioned out as a sort of a ''family uffalr." Mr. Metowan insinuates that I am the moat interested and that only thoHe near to me, "perhaps a relative" of mine, will get the beat plum-the clerkship. His statement te so full of errors and malice that I am constrained, agalntt my . ill. to tell Just how the bill became la-v. It has the appear ance of bragging roo much for me to j enjoy if, but th/? credit, if there be! credit. f? r this j ieee of legislation, j is due almost entirely to Congressman J Brynes. He got it through the house! -ihis, ton. by my help-and perhaps I was the only mun in Washington who could, have accomplished it. Wyatt Aiken introduced the bill early last year, but it lay asleep in the judiciary committee of the house. I introduced Aiken's bill in the senate and tried to get it out of the Judiciary committee there, but fulled because of un unfavorable report ft om the attor ney general and the objection of a Western senator whose State "needed a judge much more than South Caro lina," he said. After the. primary election was over and all were safely reelected, the members of the South Carolina dele gation in the house gor busy on the court bill. An agreement war, reached among themselves as to where the courts should be '. jd. This was the rock upon wk! 1 the- bill foundered fence before. Finley und Latimer could trot agree as to where the courts Should be held, and the bill died in conference, after, having 'passed both houses. When the court hill,, as i amended by Aiken, WSB. culled up, in. the.house and unanimous consent asked for its consideration,-. Mr. Mann objected, which put a quietus on it for the time being. Byrnea?f?pnd out What Mann's grievance .. wag and reported to me. Mann .had selected as bis candidate for Judge Congressman (Johnson, and. was unwilling to have toe bill passed'im lens Johnson wt\s to be irtbde judge. Mann had to bb pacified or the bill would never haye^ become a law. I had Introduced Aiken's' bill' in the senate the day. hiter he' Introduced it in the house. 'At the Opening pf con gress I urged Johnson on the presi dent as a good piece -of judicial tim ber, looking l?Hrta' appewrHneot -to a judgeship in the District of Columbia, or to a place jon the interstate com merce commission, tfhec.efore, I did not hesitate , to, set in motion instru mentalities? to flnd put what Mr. John Bon's chances were in case the court bill beCame a law. A cabl>. et'officer, whose assistance 1 Invoked, niter talking the matter over with President .Wilson,- informed me that the president liked johnson and would be moSi likely to appoint him. Mr. Byrnes celled'thin cabinet officer over tho phone and got h'lr/ in com munication with Mr. Mann. Thus the way was paved for the bill to pass the house. ' ^YriCV? By hardv work among pty personal frlenda on the senate Judiciary com mittee I got the bill out ot the com*' mlttee on March 2 with a favorable report. I did not know whether to have lt put on the calendar and walt for an opportunity to call it up, or to hold it back. I waa in this dilemma when told by .Mr, Byrnes that the house bill had Jessed with the Cullop amendment. Xia^r'TOe^adllce of a Republican senator, mn Md feiend of mine, I got itv?f H^X^emlar with this favorable report about 7 p. m. March 2. The house bill was hur ried to the printer to be engrossed and signed by the speaker. It ?Jl back to the capitol between 8 and 9 o'clock and I held the messenger, who bore lt over to the senate, sitting on ? sofa in a corner of the chamber until I talked to three or four Republicans and one or two Democrats who were opposed to Its passage. Nobody thought the bill could poss ai all; I did not think so, but had determined to make au effort. When the aenate was thinned out to a bare 20, or such a matter at" supper, etc-I had the messenger from the house report the bill to the presiding officer. Senator Burton of Ohio was in the midst of a speech when this was done. He suspended his Ulk long enough to have tbe clerk of the house report lt, and I ht>i the breas-although I bad seen it done be fore-to ask Burton's permission for Immediate consid?ration of the bill. He demurred at first, bat when I a?" sured bim it ?* 'cd to any debate I wooli not insist and the presiding of ficer told him that ho would not loao the Udor, he gave his consent for ita consideration- ? The bill was read for the Information <ot the aenate, and the usual question asked: "Is there objection to Hs Immediate consid?ra tion? Tho chair hears none." Tho house hill was read a third time and passed almost before those who are reading this have been able to grasp Its meaning. The senate hilt was1 of course indefinitely postponed I was surprised ; everybody else waa surprised; bot UT{IttMtieWted.and surprised man or the bunch wea "Jimmie" Byrnes, wis had been my principal lieutenant ir. ttl? nest piece ot leglrtetvW -legjwdiisnnite. - $ waa worn out and tired and immedlatery went to my hotel to go to bed. To save ourselves from importu nities for the three good placea, the South Carolina delegation, including Senator Smith, met m my committee room and. after talking the matter over, decided the best thing to do was to immediately telegraph the newspapers that night the names, ot the men the delegation hud agreed on tor the Judge, district attorney and marshal. 1 was called, over the tele phone and told what they wanted to do and heartily approved of it. Next morning I signed the indorsement of Mr. Johnson which was sent to tho president. Sln"e Senator Smith and I had the friendly fight over the mAr?hal and district attorney two yeats ago in which he won out, it has been under stood by all well posted men in the State and oht of it that if the western district was created I should ' hove the naming of the district attorney und Senator Smith the marshal, thus evening us up. Mr. Thurmond has told me, since I reached home, that he has already seleeteu"as his first assistant Calhoun Mays, his former law clerk at Edge field. Henry Tillman's oply connec tion with this matter ls that he and Calhoun Mays'are law partners. 1 have not Recommended my son to Mr. Thurmond and.two years ago I ad vised him not to accept tho assistant's place if it were offered him. I do not know whether- J. Broadus Knight, my secretary and clerk to the senate committee on naval affairs, will get the district clerkship or not, but I hope he will. He was Mr. John son's secretary for five years before he came to me and they have always been very wart. friends. Mr. Knight is an exceptionally capable man and deserves that or any otho? good place that any one can give him- He has been with me nine years and I will hardly know how to get along without him, but his hold on. his present office depends on my li ie, and as my health is poor, I will not stand in the way of his getting this life Job If it is of fered him. I have Joined -with the balance of the delegation in indorsing C. J. Lyon of Abbeville for the marshal's place. That is all there is to this "cock and bull story" about it being a "family affair." Candor compels me to acknowledge this: That but for my Impaired health and the esteem In which I am held by my fellow senators, I could not have done what I did; and instead of South j Carolinians caviling and carping, they ; ought to be glad tbat they have a, man In Washington who can win the friendship and respect of his col leagues of both political parties and wield an influence, notwithstanding his health ls gone. . Candor also compels me to ac knowledge that I do not believe there is any other man in the senate, who could have done this thing under the circumstances; and I am bold enough to eay I am proud of the Job, for it gives us a good Democratic Judge In the western district .who.'will hold for life, and it gives us the prospect of three new public buildings In this State-one at Greenwood, one at Rock Hill and one at Aiken. Byrnes is tickled to death every time he talks about it and wonders how the lynx-eyed Republicano ia the house allowed it to go through In that shnpe. B. R. TILLMAN, Trenton. ITALY'S FUTURE COURSE BECOMtE SUBJBCT OF INTEREST (CONTINUED FROM P?OR ONE.) with tho town ot Riva und tho .val leys of theN Chtese and Adlge rivers, including the towns of Rover and Tione. but excluding Trent and ta the east, the valley of'tho Isonco River, including Gradisca, but.. ex cluding G?ritz. It Is understood also that in return for such territory as she is willing, to cede, Austria asks for a large sum of money and also the renunciation by Italy of any claim to other ter ritory ' within the Austro-Hunge'riar empire which is inhabltated "by Bal lians. In return for -these cotfees slons by Italy, Austria ia willing to make certain local grants, including the establishment of an Italian uni versity at Trieste. Adapts New Charter. ASHEVILLE, N. C.. March 16. Asheville's electorate today adopted a new charter providing far commission form of government, by a majority bf e|i2 votes. - Four -years ago the com mission plan was defeated by a ma jority of 14. PAPE'S DIAPEPSIN FOR INDIGESTION OR BAD STOMACH Relieves Sourness, gas, Heart- f bann, Dypepeia in five minutes. . Sour, gacay. upset stomach indiges tion, heartburn, dyspepsia; when the food you est ferments into gases and stubborn lumps; your head aches and you feel sick and miserable. 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Val Of Western District 9p*ci*l to Tho Intelligencer. WASHINGTON. March 16.-The appointment of Chas. J. Lyon of Ab beville, to be United States marshal of the new western ? district' was made by President Wilson, today. The appointment of district attorney will be made in a short tine, but the nomination of the judge will not, according ' to' Gie bes topinton. be made untlt the next session of . the senate. Tender of Delaware Fired Upon. GALVESTON, Tex., March J.6.-The tender of the United States battleship Delaware waa, fired upon by snipers at Vera Crus on March 10, according to reports brought here today by pas sengers on the Norwegian steamship City of Tampico. The tender went into the harbor for Captain Rogers, of the Delaware, and was .fired upon whtle Inbound and arain while re turning to the worship. No one was injured. Charged With CounterfcUIng. TOLEDO, O., March- 16.-Fred Strang, alias Fred Taylor, 25 years old, and 8. F. Kerr, 40, were arrested at Vapwert oed brought here today charged ; with counterfeiting small coins In the composing room ot the Van wert Bulletin, a daily newspaper. Taylor pleaded guilty in federal court here. Kerr pleaded not guilty. Both men went to jail to await grand jury action. Pr?sident Attends FunfiraL . WASHINGTON, March 16.-Presi dent Wilson today attended tho fun eral of Colonel William H. Crook. President Lincoln's bodyguard who died Saturday after more than 60 years service as a White House em ployee. White House employes acted as pallbearers and all work was sus pended at ?he executive offices dur ing Ute Gei vices. Burial waa'at Ar lington national cemetery. Stoney Tam From Skip. NEW ORLEANS, March 16.-Tito United States cruiser Dea Moines ac companied the British steamer Wy visbrook from Campeche to Pro-' greso, Mexico, after ahn had been de-, fained by 'Mexicans, according to stories brought here today when the Wy vf abrook docked. 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