The watchman and southron. (Sumter, S.C.) 1881-1930, January 20, 1897, Image 8
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Tillman.
He Takes Issue With Gov.
Evans About Clemson.
STICKS TO CONSTABLES.
A Lengthy Interview With
the South Carolina Senator
-Expresses His Views
Fully.
Senator Tillman, who was in the
city on Wednesday, was seen and
asked his opinion in regard to the
mach talked .of strictures of Gover?
nor Evans on the state of affairs at
' Clemson ^The senator replied
thoughtfully, walking back and forth
? across the floor with his hands behind
his back
"Tam surprised,'* he said, "at the
attitude of seeming antagonism that
the governor has assumed, and also
with the one sidedness, so to speak,
of the comparison he makes between
Clemson and Winthrop As I ara a
tsustee of both colleges, I ara of
course more or less familiar with the
details of their managen! and also
with the difficulties under which th*?y
have labored. And a great many
who people have criticised, and who
perhaps have grounds for ciiticism,
would understand the situation better
if they could be made to understand
the complex character of the work
which we are trying to organize and
c rry on at Clemson. Professors to
CU the various chairs are plentiful
suDerabundant. in fact-and it is
only a question of who to choose ;
whereas, to find .suitable men to
teach the branches which we are try
ing to make the foundation of the
education we are giving at Clemson
has been a great and difficult under?
taking In fact, we have two col
leges side by side at Clemson, and
they are both entirely new to our
people, and there are no men edu
cated in the south who are fitted for
teaching in either. The mechanical
department is in effect a technologi
cal school embracing engineering,
both mechanical and electrical ; and
experts in the various branches, who
must be paid, and paid handsomely,
to .be obtained at all. or else a boy
who goes there wi 1 not be able to
get the special training he desires
and needs
"There is foundry work, electrical
engineerir and ali the vatious
branches embraced under the head of
mechanics and engineering Then
when we go to the agricultural side
of the college we have the chemical
department, the practical application
of the science of agriculture, horti?
culture, dairying, horiculture, veteri
nary science, and in addition to this
we are charged by the United States
government with experimental work
for which we receive an annual ap
- propriation of $15,000, known as the
Hatch fund And then comes the
analysis and inspection of fertilizers,
another separate branch, requiring a
clerk and inspectors and analysis,
and it is easy to see that with all of
these expert men, who tare not re
quired in an ordinary literary school,
our corps of teachers must largely
exceed what they would employ
"Then coming to the literary or
English schooj, because, while we
are teaching these industrial and
practical arts to agriculture and hor?
ticulture, we have to have the same
-professors as the ordinary coUege ;
in other word?, have never supposed
it was the intention of the State to
?end forth boys from Clemson that
could not speak and write English
correctly and be able to enter into
discussion with the ordinary college
graduate on terms of equality. Th**
demands which come from some
sources that we shall cofine our?
selves to agriculture and mechanics,
accompanied on the other hand with
the demand that we shall not have a
fitting school, would appear to re
quire the trustees and laculty to
make brick without straw The
friends of the denominational col?
leges demand that we shall not com
pete with other colleges in literary
training and that we lower Clemson
to the level of a mere labor school,
in which the boys be required to
work and go forth mere artisans or
meehinists or farL laborers, without
the necessary metal training. If we
put the school on that level then we
had better kill it. But at the same
time we are confronted with the fact
that a great matty of the boys who
come, being the sons of farmers in
remote neighborhoods away from
high schools and having little oppor?
tunity to prepare themselves. ?
have reached the age of above j
15, for they cannot enter young j
er, without sufficient training to en- j
able them to enter the freshman c?as*
although the requirements are very
low ; and we are thus brought face to j
face with tbe proposition whether we i
are to turn these youths away and
not give thou the benefit of the train- ;
in<r, or whether we are to take them ?
in and train their minds in the ele- !
menlary branches of an ordinary j
education, while they are learning
the technical branches taught in the
7
school. When the college was firs
organized we had no fitting e_ 1
but admitted all who came tcT~"fri
freshmen class, but were required b;
circumstances to organize the pre
paratory school, which was taugh
by the entire faculty In othe
words, the students of arithmetii
would go to the professor of mathe
matics, but when they were out o
his room they were left to their o wi
devises, and never having beei
schooled to study, they did not knov
how lo study and did not know real
ly how to prepare their lessons ; ant
after having tried that system for t
year, we decided to organize a pre
paratory school and put them in i
(br six honre a day at least, so tha
the professor could overlook and as
sist them
"But thc point which I wish t(
make in regard to the governor'1
criticism is this: Winthrop, wit!
whose management I am familiar
and of which I have nothing to saj
except that it it has been as wei
managed as any new college that ha*
ever been organized, has as large i
preparatory department as Clemsor
and the girls of Routh Carolina havt
shown that they are no better pre
pared to do college work than th?
boy s who hayo gone to Clemson 1:
there were schools in every county,
within the reach of the poor boys,
who have had no opportunity to pre?
pare to enter the freshman class and
of these poor girls, too, I, would be
the last man to encourage them to
go ti) Clemson and Winthrop unfitted
But the State has expended large
sums on equipping these colleges ;
they have faculties on the ground and
the question is wnether they must
confine themselves to teaching only
those who are fitted to enter and do
college work I, for one, would be
glad to pee an improvement in the
common schools and high schools
that would enable ^ the colleges to
take only these*who were fitted and
1 have lent every effort in the Con
6 tita tiona! convention, in increasing
the two mill tax to a three mill tax,
and I see no reason why in the near
future we may not have a system of
free schools that will ruu at least six
months when we will not offer an op?
portunity to any future governor to
demand that we shall not have fitting
schools run at the ?State's expense
"Furthermore, the South Carolina
college has ever since its organiza
lion had boys enter who were not
fitted to do the work of the freshman
class, and I do not see why Clemson
should be singled out and a demand
made that it shall not receive these
illy prepared boys, who have not had
an opportunity to get the necessary
training. " Object lessons afforded a
farmer's son at Clemson is in itself
almost an education.'
When aeked what he had to say
about the dispensary part of Gov?
ernor Evans's message he said that
he was not discussing the dispensary
"What do you think Clemson can
be run this year for ?"
i4I am glad you mentioned that."
he replied, "for it enables me to state
that all the money spent has not been
spent for running expenses I have
not the figures, but I know that a
large part of it was appropriated by
the trustees last year for equipment,
and I would like to say in that con?
nection right here to the members of
the general assembly that they can
not 6peud money more wisely than
by going in a body to those two in?
stitutions and seeing where the
money has gone and what has been
done with it, and then decide what
they want done with them, and what
ever they do 1 will be satisfied with
it, for I am sure they will act wise?
ly."
"How much will it take to run
Clemson this year ?"
' We are told that we have spend
$40,000 ; $15,000 of that cernes from
the national governmeent for experi
mental work, by a special appropria?
tion, and we have at Clemson a let?
ter from the authorities at Washing
ton to deprive ns of the benefit of
that appropriation if we use it for
any other than purely experimental
purposes So we have to use that
appropriation for experimental pur?
poses solely, while the enemies of
the college contend that the national
appropriation ?s enough to suppor
the institution
"But even after thus using it and
depending on the other sources of
income, I think, and I have said time
and again, that after we are thorough
ly equipped we can get along with
?30.000 additional to the appropria
tions, and I think if the legislature
will give us ?30,000 and give the
balance of the privilege tax to Win j
throp that the two colleges can be j
run on the privilege tax almost with- j
out an appropriation from the treas?
ury."
?.How much of the ?194,000 was
for tuition fees ?"
"There were no tuition fees charged
It will be remembered that during toe
Constitutional convention tho question
of tuition fees wa? brought up, and I
was twitted, or rather the question was
asked, why no fees had bi-en charged.
Taking if as a personal a!?union. I said
I sent my cheek for the hiirion 'for my
soo, and had had ii returned with th* j
statement that Mr. Tinda! and myself;
were the only two tha? had tendered i
tuition fees and that thc b'>ard of hus- :
?ces, under rh(> act accepting the Clem- j
son bequest, bsd decided that ive were j
entitled to froe tuition under Clemson's
will, and tb? money wa? "returned.
When ? was governor I once or twice
called the attention of the general as
sembly to the necessity for some act
designating some method by which tbe
college should arrive at a knowledge
as to who should pay tuition fees The
Citadel has had difficulty in regard to
beneficiary scholarships. At Winthrop
we have simply to put the students and
their parents on their honor. At Ciem
son we are barred under the act from
chargiog tuition even and it is neces?
sary to amend the law "
"Under the existing law couldn't the
board collect tuition as well as at the
other colleges ?"
"No "
"Can they ever obarge tuition fees ?"
"If they will ohange the law we can
charge them and determine who is to
pay them "
"I thought there was some condi?
tion ?" *
"Therv J a condition in Mr Clem?
son's will which was tuiauoderstood
when the act was passed. The condi?
tio under whieb we were not to charge
tuition fees never came about, and jet
th* legislature io passing the bill ac
ceptiog the bequeath provided that we
should not ohargs tuition fees 'as pro
vided in Mr. Clemson's will.' which
was never provided "
AS TO THE DISPENSARY.
"Will you talk about the dispen?
sary ?"
"What do you want about it?"
. Governor Y, rans io his message says
that the law is better administered than
ever before.''
..That isa question for the people to
determine. I did my best "
"What about the Shell letter?"
''That is a confiiential letter that has
b^en made public, and I do not care to
say anything about it."
"What about Mr. Burns' bill to do
away with the constabulary?"
"If you do away with the constabu?
lary you had had better do away with
the Uv. Until the agitation for the
repeal of the law has passed and the
enemies of the law understand they
had better try to get the benefits of it
you will be compelled to keep the con?
stabulary . "
'Don't you think the enemies of the
dispensary would fall in behind the law
if tbe constabulary were withdrawn ?"
"It would be much easier for the
governor to discharge the constables if
he found that they were not needed and
the grand juries and police did their
duty. I think the new governor will
have discretion enough to reduce the
force if he finds he has no use for it
I am sure he is an economical man and
just as solicitous for the welfare of the
State as anyone."
In conclusion Senator Tillman said :
"I want you to say that I would be
very glad if the legislature would ap?
point a c om mitt te to investigate the
charges and insinuation that have been
made with reference to the dispensary
management. Let them then turn on
all the light and see what there is io
the insinuations that have been made
As for myself and may administration
I want them to put on all the virrol
they can and if they find anything but
honesty, purity aod the best of inten?
tions I want it shown, and I take it
that all who have been connected with
the dispensary would like to have .the
same kir?d of clearance cf the insinua?
tions that have been made."
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Those Issued by Republic of
Cuba "Go" Ia the Mails.
WASHINGTON, J:n 14 -The appear]
ance of the stamps of the so called
Cuban republic in the United States
mails has caused much comment herc
and was the cause of some discussion
at the postoffice department to-day as to
whether such stamps could be recog?
nized as proper for tho transmission of
mai's into the United States, as this
government has not recognized Cuba as
a free and independent country. This is
probably the first c*se of its kind
where insurgents have established their
own postoffiocs and us(d their own
stamps, which were transmitted in the
mails to thc United States. At the
po8toffice department it wa6 stated that
these stamps were good so far as the
United States was concerned, as our
postal laws required only 5 cent stamps
be properly-cancelled and the envelope
containing mail matter bear the post?
mark of a regular postoffice. These
regulations have been complied ffith so
far a9 the department knows. Had
they not beeu admisible, the letters
bearing these stamps would have been
saarked with the letter "T" at the re?
ceiving office in this country, meaning
"tax collect." The department knows
nothing about the poctoffice stamped on
the envelope, except that if is in Span?
ish territory and Spain is in the inter?
national postal union.
Th'? stamps mi^bt give rise toa deli?
cate diplomatic question io which the
p<'Stfilfi:e depart meut would take no
part, but refer the matter to tho dept
ment of state for settlement.
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We therefore inaugurate our January Sale, and will dispose
of them at a
threat Sacrifice*
A word to the wise is sufficient and when we say these goods
must go to make way for our. coming Spring Stock, every one
knows that they will go
Prfee Will lie iso Object,
And the wise will reap the benefit All the Ladies' Cloaks and
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till next Fall.
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$22 00 Overcoats at $17 00
$18 00 " $13 00
$15 00 " " ?10 00
$12 50 " " % 8.00
$10 00 " " % 6 50
? 8 00 " " % 5 00
% 7.00 " ? $ 4.25
$ 5 00 " " $ 3 49
$ 4 00 " $ -2.98
Glen's Underwear.
Men's Suits at about half price. Children Suits at Cost.
$1.25 Children's Suits at 75 cents,
We have a large stock of
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