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I 1N V ESTI(i A T!UN PKOCE E 1>S. Kf^euts and Physicians Testify?Notliir.? Develops Except Tliere Seems Lack of Harmony in Staff. I I W. F. Caldwell in News and Courior. Clumbia. Feb. 12.?Dr. Eleacor B. j Saunders. the lady physician on the ; asylum staff, whom Superintendent J. W. Babcock is backing up. and whom | the majority of the board of regents j hold responsible for the friction which j they state would have ended among "Dhe. medical staff had Dr. Babcock; dismissed her. was not allowed to have j a stenographer present during the ex- j ecutive meeting of- the regents-in December, when Governor Blease was present with his private secretary, Col. John K. Aull, who is a stenographer, and Mrs. Bessie Saunders was also present as a stenographer,1 according to the cross-examination of j Dr. W. L. Settlemeyer, one of the re- i gents, this afternoon by Dr. Saunders, j This was the meeting at which com- I plaints of certain members of the medical staff against Dr. Saunders ' were taken by the regents, and -her : father, Mr. O. L. Saunders, was not al- j lowed to be present, it has been tea- ; tificd to, and resolutions condemining her for interference were passed by j the regents. Dr. Settlemeyer went on the board j of regents last April, succeeding Mr. ' Fred H. Dominick, and he stated that in selecting persons for the vacancies ] filled by the^board July 1 he voted for | those he thought best fitted for the 1 positions, and that there was 110 pre vious understanding among any of the ' regents as to who were to be elected, j Praises Dr. Sannders. Corroborating the testimony of Chairman Carouthers, Dr. Settlemeyer was of the opinion that the trouble at the asylum came from the friction be- j tween members of the medical staff,! and the complaints by certain subordinates that Dr. Saunders was infring- j ing on their duties and rights. He j spoke highly of the work and efficiency [ of Dr. Saunders and stated he had in- ; epected her ward, that of the white 1 women, only twice and found every- 1 thing in fine shape. Personally, he stated, lie Knew no cnarges against | Dr. Saunders and those made by the other members of the medical staff were only general. i Under questioning from Dr. Babcock, Dr. Settlemeyer stated that he thought it was the duty of the male doctors to lend every assistance in their power j to the female doctors; that the profes-' sion was very arduous, and that he considered from a question of ethics that all of the male doctors at the asylum should co-operate with Dr. Saunders in every way possible. He Draised both her and the work she was doing highly, said there was no charge i regarding her moral character, aiid j stated that he and Dr. Babcock had gotten on well together. He did not consider Dr. Babcock a subordinate,! but the equal of the regents in authority, and said he thought Dr. Babcock i ought to have come to the regents with the whole matter and the trouble i might have been avoided. Doesn't Know Why. The witness, in reply to a question ! from Dr. Saunders, said that'be did not know why Representative 0. L. Saun- j ders had not remained when the re- j gents went into executive session to hear the complaints against his daughter, and certainily, he said, he had no ; objection to his remaining. He said he did not know why Mr. A. iM. Deal, the stenographer for Dr. Saunders, was not allowed to remain at the meeting and why Col. John K. Aull I and Mrs. Saunders stayed, except thzi "Mrs. Saunders, lie thought, had j been invited to corne as the stenographer for the board. Just why the lady physician under investigation was not allowed to have her stenographer present, he said, he could not explain, j and did not know. He stated he did ' not hear Governor Blease suggest to Mr. Deal that he leave after it was j stated the board was going into ex-1 ecutive session. Hnl John K Aull broueht in the ~ I minutes cf the executive meeting of t>he board of regents on December 12, and reading from them Representative Stevenson asked Dr. Settlemeyer if the regents were trying to oust Dr. Saunders because she was not a Bleaseite. The witness denied that politics had anything to do with the matter, or that j tney had ever been discussed by the j regents at any of their meetings. Sews to Him, Says Babcock. Dr. Settlemeyer had stated that Drs. j Taylor and Babcock, Messrs Bivens and Sumersett constituted a committee > of the regents to revise the rules under which the regents were working and to present them to the general i assembly for their approval, as required by the act. Dr. Babcock imme- j diately arose and said it was the first' time he had ever heard that he was a member of any sucli committee. Col. E. H. Aull went oh the .stand and made toe. statement, already, prioit- ! ed In tkW fiA^er that Dr. Babook ; said that Col. Aull had stated on t night lie was shown the letters frc Governor Blease to Dr. Babeock, d miriflinw Tb.it ho remove Dr. Saunde that the State newspapers would p a large sum for the letters, and they were published they would d feat Governor Blease for the sen; and re-elect United States Senator I>. Smith, and. further, that one cf t letters was a reflection on Dr. San dens or else it was unfavorably woi ed. Col. Aull said he wanted to perfectly fair to Dr. Babcock t: i while he did not recollect the fi) part of the statement attributed him, he would net deny having ma it. AT., Cfavoncnn 1 afr +lio /"?rvTY)mit1 .tJLI . JJlt VtiiCVii 1V i. t and will be absent for a day, as he a member of the legislative comm tee which went to Atlanta with t committee from the State Banke Association to try to get a regior bank for Columbia. The committee at 6 o'clock adjoui ed until tomorrow afternoon at 3: o'clock. Columbia, Feb. 13,?For three hoi this afternoon the legislature comm tee which is investigating conditio at the State Hospital for the Insa heard the testimony of Dr. H. Griffin, third assistant physician at t hospital, and at the conclusion of t hearing adjourned until tomorrow 10 o'clock. Dr. Griffin's testimony thr< little new light on t'be situation, bei largely a restatement of facts whi have been brought out at previous s< sions of the committee. Most of the evidence submitted Dr. Griffin was in pointing out speci instances in which he felt that I Saunders had trespassed upon t rights of his department and promot friction at the asylum. These charg are the basis of the whole matter a were made in general terms by ] Griffin to the board of regents, a may have influenced that body to pa the resolution calling for the resigr tion of Dr. Saunders. Dr. Griffin was questioned at the cc elusion of his statements to the co mittee by Governor Blease, Dr. San ders, Dr. Babcock and Dr. Cooper, Blease-Sparks Tilt, Today's hearing was marked by short co^oquy between Govern Blease and Joseph Sparks, a w known newspaper man who has be reporting the meetings of the comm tee. The governor read extracts frc rho ror>r?rr1 r\f rhd fnmmitfpp'c woich, he said, sustained his positii in the entire matter, and stated th unless this would be in the print report of the committee he wished send it in a special message to t' legislature, as he knew the newsp pers would not print it. Mr. Sparks arose and stated that the committee would furnish him wi a copy of the minutes in question 1 would gladly publish the vital pari Plooco crnri ''Y? anH t' 'vital parts' will all be against Blease to which Mr. Sparks replied: "T. governor may point out what he co siders the vital parts." "When I get to be news censor f the Columbia State," said the go eronr, "I won't be on this earth; I w be in hell." "You are damn right," replied IV Sparks. Chairman Mauldin rapp for order before other remarks h; been exchanged. Dr. Griffin's Testimony. Dr. Griffin testified that he was ele< ed a member of the medical staff the State Hospital for the Insane January, 1913, on the recommendati of Dr. Babc.ock and Dr. B. W. Tayl< He wished it understood that his po? tion in this affair had not be brought about by the fact that I Babcock succeeded his father as s perintendent of the hospital. "We h always been on the friendliest ten with each other prior to my electic and for some years thereafter," stated, "and I cherished no malice 1 ward him." For about four years, testified I Griffin, he and Dr. Saunders had r been on very good terms and thought their first unpleasantn* was caused oy uer misayprejueiisivii a statement he made to her. Wb present at the meeting of the Columt Medical Society, he said, he notic that his name and that of Dr. Saund( were read among those whose du had not been paid. The next day, said, he told Dr. Saunders of the f? that cho -nrnn to the Socie and, according to his testimony, w told "to mind his own business." ] stated that he had not intended ar I thing disrespectful to the lady. Means No Reflection. Dr. Griffin who in the record of t | committee hearings is quoted as sayi i that Dr. Saunders was "supposed to | married," today expressed his regri that 'he should have used those exj : words, and thought he- had used slightly different wording. "I did i intend to convey the impression whi those word gave," he said; "I discla any intention of casting any reflect! ? <_?oir ay ? JL March 1 rst ' toj de | We sell you Supplies, ( Is i redaction. Will also do yi it-! We will issue coupon al i supplies, and also for gas so | any book work to do, there irs i ^ - Summer9 n e n. j? l-\ p I t ! or Dr. Saunders s character. I have j never known or heard anything derogj atory to her character.*' 12 cr , ! Asked to give other specific inch ' I stances when Dr. Saunders had treated 2S- 1 him wifrj discourtesy, Dr. Griffin said that on one occasion he went into the hv 1 . _ , , J general otnce 01 tne asyium ana requested a young lady stenographer to take some dictation, when Dr. Saunue ders cu'-'tly informed him that the lady pri i was iier stenographer. r0g , ; He told of having left orders for light nd diet to be given a hospital nurse, whom Dr.1 , | he was treating, and said that Dr. nd / Saunders later countermanded this orISS ! ^ | der and sent tl:e patient a regular | meal. A similar case occurred, he | said, when his directions, that the wife )11*" 1 ; of a white male patient be not allowed to visit her husband daily, since n- i the effect of visits was bad, were over, ? j j ruled and the visits permitted. a I Says Babcock Dislikes Him. or! Dr. Griffin stated that he had not elj complained of these matters to Dr. | Babcock because the superintendent -t_ jihad taken a dislike to him, for which )m he-was unable to account. Just when i lg | this dislike began, he did not know, ' j but read from the records of the 1909 t; asylum investigation statements which e(j; he made of a highly complimentary tQ j nature toward Dr. Babcock. Dr. Grif; fin stated that he did not believe i there .was .anv unDleasantness between a- j ? r -' - ; I them unti\ after that time. As evi ' der.ce of the fact that Dr. Babcock was if i unfriendly to him he stared that w.?en ihe made complaints they were not he I heeded and that he was not generally ' j treated with courtesy. k0 1 Dr. Griffin stated that Dr. Babcock, * I '' j he thought, had not visited his '.Dr. j he j Griffin's) department of the asylum j n 'during the year 1913, and but few i ! times since he had been a member of i or j the medical stuff. I v-i _ jj On ixsminafon by senator igm.it, Dr.4'Griffin admitted that he did not jr spend but about two hours at the asy, ! lum each day and that Dr. Babcock ed j g might 'visit his ward during his ab- j sence. He testified that Dr. Saunders ? was * ry capable and loyal to her pa-1 tients, that there was no rule to pre- i j vent her going into his department. . ' Questioned by Dr. Saunders, in i t I Dr. Saunders during her examina ' tion of the witness brought out the Jr. i : facts that he had had some differences _ with Miss Allen, a former stenographen )r er at the asylum; that Dr. Griffin had u_ I never filed compiaint with the supera(j intendent against her going into his ns department; that their differences i were very trivial and that only once in 2^ ; seven years 'had she objected to his kQ_ | dictation to ihe office stenographer. | His wishes in the cases of the sick ! nurse and the wife's visits to her hus| band had not been made known to he :ier' ;gs | Dr. Babcock cross-questioned the of' witness. That the board of regents lie | had suggested the retirement of Dr. jia ! Griffin and Chat Dr. Babcock's objeced j tion had saved his position was ?rs ! brought out. Dr. Babcock asked the tes witness to define the terms "insanity," he "hallucination," "delusion," and other ict words of similar nature. 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