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ASYLUM INVESTIGATORS RESUME HEARING MANY WITNESSES BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. The Hearing of the Investigating! Comnsittee Taken l*p Again on Monday. W. F. Caldwell in News and Courier. Columbia, Feb. 9.?Declarations of Capt. J. W. Buncli, nephew by marriage of Senator Tillman and appointed by the latter in 1891 to his present position at the asylum, that friction between Dr. J.- W. Babcock and his subordinate bf the State Hospital for the Insane existed before Governor Blease came into office, or the men appointed by 'him on the board of re-! gents took charge; that Fred. H. Dominick during his service on the board was one of the best presidents of the board of regents he had ever known; denial by Mrs. Bessie Saunders, formerly Miss Bessie Allen, who served as stenographer at the asylum, that Mr. Dominick ever made a remark derogatory to Dr. Babcock or that he had said they were going to get rid of i Dr. Babcock, and corroboration of the ; testimony of Governor B lease, given ! Saturday, by Col. E. H. Auil, featured ! the second session of the committee probing into matters at t'he State Hospital for the Insar.e. The grilling Dr. Babcock gave Col. j Aull concerning some confidential con- I .versations they had directly after the ' receipt' by Dr. Babcock of Governor i Blease's letter demanding the removal of Dr. Sannders excited interest. Dr. Babcock, paying a high tribute to the friendly efforts of Col. Aull to bring about peace and harmony, said that on the night he showed the governor's letter to Col. Au'l, they had some: confidential conversation concerning the letters, what a certain party would nav fo- them, and about some newsDa- ! ^' . , per. Cel. Aull said 'he recollected stating if the asylum was to be made an issue, he proposed for Dr. Babcock to j run for goveronr and he would support him in his paper, the- Newberry Herald and News. Dr. Babcock kept insisting there was something about a certain party and what he would pay to get hold of the letters, or something concerning seme big possible political effect, apparently having to do with the fortunes of some candidate. Col. Aull couldn't recollect anything else, but Dr. Babcock insisted there was another statement which lie said was vital. On his starting to say something Chairman Mauldin told him to ask what questions he would and that he would be given another opportunity to go on the stand and tell what he wanted. Governor Warns Again. Again this afternoon Governor Blease warned the witness not to drag the names of any of the feihale members of his family into this matter, as they had nothing to do with it. He said whoever dragged in their names JLi^ wuuiu liLFiu ^ci^uuaii^ , As far as concerned any confidential i conversations he had with either Dr. j Babcock or Col. Aull, or anything he ; had said or written about the asylum,; he relieved them of the ban of confidence, and told teem to tell it all. Another feature of the session was j the testimony of Col. Aull, that the ! asylum commission favored the reten- j tion and development of State Park j H?:'i "r D m avo1 t l-i c\ ocvlnm f V? 4&AU I JL V AliV * U 1 ' I ? i.' ^ CL -3 * i ' iJL# Lilti while Coveronr Ijleiso favored ihe sale of that property and the retention- of the present property in the city. This : was brought out under cro?s-examina- j tien by the governor. The sessions of t-ie committee were resumed a; 3.30 o'clock and the. su\ preme court room was packed to the doors with sneotators. There* wprp several ladies ju the audience. Gover- j nor Ble?se. Assistant Attorney Gen- i eral Dominick, Dr. and Mrs. J. W. Babcock, Dr. E. B. Saunders, the lady whose retention or dismissal appears to have caused the lone of contention between Dr. Batccck and the majority o? the board of indents, sat inside the i rail. Cai>t. Bunch on Stand. Capt. J. W. Bunch was the first wit- ; ness, his direct examination being conducted by .Mr. Stevenson, a member of the investigating committee. The captain who is secretary of the board of regents, indentified certain minutes of the beard, especially concerning the resolution to elect subordinates for terms of two years, and on the first of July last, he states, ten places were filled only three changes being made. The minutes of the board in executive session when Drs. Babcock and Sounders were condemned, and the subsequent resolutions exonerating Dr: r-% -i ? ' ? ~ oaunoers ana tne closing or tne incident by the board, all of which -has already been printed, were related by the witness. It was shown that Dr. T. H. Taylor, a member of tho board of regents, stood squarely behind Dr. 1 Babcock and Dr. Saunders, and pro U?st< ! j iii>t i'i action ol* the b :ird ? !t was brought ou! also that Solicitor | i. K. Henry, a.-, aiurney for Dr. Saun-i dors, said Ik- would appeal xiis client's : case to a higher tribunal, and that j the same statement was made by Dr. i Babcock ro tb'- levd. Governor Asks Questions. Goveronr Blease cross-examined i Capt. Bunch, and the governor asked ! him if there was any politics in liis I appointments by Gove-nor Tillman to | succeed H. P. Green, or it' there was j any politics in the appointment of Dr. ; Babcock to succeed Dr. Griffin as su- | perintendent by Governor Tillman. Dr. i Babccck rising to a question of personal privilege, stated that when he was appointed he did i:ot know Governor Tillman, and was working outside of the Stat* at the time. Young Dr. Griffin, son of the former superintendent, and a member of the medicial staff at the asylum, wanted to make a statement, but Chairman Mauldin told him he would be given a chance later to testify. Capt. Bunch said Messrs Carothers, Bivens and Settlemeyer had tried to put down the friction at the asylum, i and the goveronr himself had once j come out and addressed the nurses and helped to avert a threatened strike. | I ol. .lolin K. Aiill, private secretary j to Governor Blea?e, said he had taken : the stenograhic notes of the executive session of the regents when Governor ; Blease was present and the members of the medical staff made their charges against Dr. Saunders for interfering j with them. He on the consent of the ! governor, agreed to transcribe these ' notes for the committee e earliest | possible moment. Former Stenographer Testifies, Mrs. Bessie A. Saunders, formerly -Miss Bessie Allen, said she was stenographer at the asylum from 1910 to .lannrav nf this voar and in thf? ran acity of stenographer was present at ! the executive session of the regents 1 referred to above, but she found it ; took an expert to take the testimony ; w and Col. John K. Aull being present ia in this capacity, she burned her notes : o after the session. Mr. Dominick read | the testimony of Dr. Babcock on Sat- tl urday which was to the effect that he, s: T ^ r? "P o r?lr o rl V? AO ,1 f V n f "Mr h jwi. uuuvuin, uciu ncai u tuai itii . i^um- i ? inick said in the presence of Miss ! e Allen that they were going to get rid h of him as soon as possible. Mrs. ; ^ | Sanders said no such statement was i d made in her presence, nor had she:n 4 ! ! ever heard Mr. Dominick discuss the :? : : matter. She said she did not tell any I ^ . i ; one that he had. Dr. Saunders asked n i her if she didn't recollect telling her ' ^ she said she did net. k je' Col. Aull read a perpared state- j ment (published elsewhere in this is-1 : sue) to the effect that his efforts in the s * ' r matter had been those of the peace- | < q ! maker and to bring about harmony in j i the asylum management. Hhe corrobo- i v' ! rated Governor Blease's testimony ;K ; Saturday. Dr. Babcock questioning jn the witness emphasized the statement | ^ that any confidential conversations he ^ i had had with Col. Aull, and which had |a : been told by him Saturday, were fore- j w ! pr? frnm Viim Kir o mkttir\f /irvm b ; JL+ VHi U1XU KfJ C4. 11A ^1X1 UV?.i V/l WHC mittee against his will and among t( ! other things Col. Aull said he had ^ given it merely as his opinion in a con- j versation with Dr. Babcock that the I v I tl regents wanted to get rid of him. He ; said he had nothing on which to base j this assertion, that it was merely an I a opinion. The committee after a session last- 'lc ing until after 6 o'clock adjourned to w meet again tomorrw- afternoon at 3:30. hl ' !Cl W. F. Caldwell in News and Courier, j a< Columbia, Feb. 10.?Chairman T. R.'g< Carouthers, of the board of regents j *c of the State Hospital for the Insane, ! ? * 1 T") occupied the entire time on the stand j ^ hpf fkT O tTlfi acvlum nrnKoru t Vi i' r. of+^-r. ! b( ~ W^4U1U taio and " j noon and corroborated largely the i1E testimony hitherto brought out, to the i ^ effect that friction existed at the .sy- n* lum between the medical staff before he went on the board, as he found n< when he got there, and that the re- j se gents had done their best to put down i w the friction and bring about harmony. I Ji He paid a tribute to the efficiency v and earnestness of Dr. Saunders, the w lady physician, but insisted that he a thought from the complaints of the el other members of the staff that she m had superseded her duties and interfered with the duties of others. He said there was not one word of com- m plaint against her moral character. Sz Questioned by Dr. Saunders. of Dr. Saunders cross?examined Dr. fr Carcutners closely about complaints st against her by other members of the de medical staff and especially about the D: action of the regents in passing con- nf demnatory resolutions against her in nc executive session, when her father fa was not allowed to be present at the th meeting. Under her questioning Dr. hi Carouthers admitted that he thought pe Dr. Saunders a very competent and en efficient woman and physician and ag that ehe did her work so efficiently at ex the asylum that he praised it. Re- er warding any instances against her of ? interference, the witness admitted that ft FOUR Lefever Guns L. (. Smith Guns Hammer Guns Single Karrel Gun 32 Winchester Kiile Winchester 22 Repeating Single shot Winchester Air Ritles Shells Smokeless Shells, 2 boxes for Hunting Coats Canvass Leggius One Gray Gasoline Engine One Washing Machine Two cooking Stoves, slightly da Oliver No. 10 Plow Oliver No. 13 Oliver Hillside Imitation Oliver No. 10 Goflber Plow Iron Peani Dixie Boy Iron Plow Stock Two Horse Plow Sfcck , MM I ! I?MBB The abt cash only, a SALE LASTS in__ r 11 he knew came from the statements f the other members of the medical taff, made before the board before , le resolutions were adcpted. He inisted, when asked if he thought she ad been treated right when her fathr was excluded from the hearing and is petition for a rehearing refused, lat he thought it best for Dr. Saund ers and for the institution for the latter to be closed. Dr. Saunders rilled the witness as to whether he bought it right for her to close the latter after certain comDlaints had een made and the investigation askd for by her father refused. Says Tried for Harmony. Dr. Carouthers in his testimony inisted that his efforts and those of J. >. Bivens and W. L. Settlemeyer, the ther two regents, in their meeting rith the subordinates at the St. .John [otel last September, when they did ot notify Dr. Babcock, or Dr. Julius [. Taylor, another member of the oard of regents, were with the idea nd the purpose of finding out what ras wrong and trying to bring out armony. He said they did not mean ) ignore Dr. Taylor, but they felt lat because of his friendship with >r. Saunders to have had him present 'ould have acted as a damper in getng full statements from the suborinates who were marine comnlains bout Dr. Saunders' interference This was brought out when Dr. Tay)T asked the witness if the meetin 1 as for the purpose of harmony why , e 'Ivadn't been notified. He said the ' iarges against Dr. Saunders were I Jts of professional discourtesy, lodaA hv nthor nf thp rnpd al staff, namely, Dr. Thompson, Dr. ! lackburn and Dr. Griffin. He said | r. Thompson stated in a letter and 3fore the board that Dr. Saunders iterfered so much with his duties iat he was left with nothing but the line of first assistant physician. i It was brought out from the wit- ! sss, through questions from Repre- i mtative Stevenson, that the places j e^e filled by the asylum regents last lly at the salaries named in the ad- i _ 4-^, + Vw><- ? V, 1 ? 4 _ :i uscmcuui, eAtepi. mat ui ?jii<xymiii, | ben they.had advertised for one at salary of $25 per monthrand they ected one at a salary of $75 per onth. % Execntive Session. Br. Carouthers was grilled both by t . a :n i i T~\ emuers 01 ine committee ana uy jlrr. i tunders about the executive meeting the regents, when after complaints om certain members of the medical aff resolutions condemning Dr. Saun;rs were passed over the protest of r. Taylor, as was stated yesterday ternoon. Dr. Carouthers said he Lad >t prevented 0. L. Saunders, the;, ther of Dr. Saunders, from attending j e meeting, and 'Mr. Saunders asked j m if he nad not appealed to him rsonally to be permitted to be pres- 1 t when the charges were being made , ? < ;ainst his daughter and he 'had been j eluded by the board. 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