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E. H. AULL, EDITOR. Entered at the Postoffice at New krry, S. C., as 2nd class matter. Friday, February 16, 1906. SENATOR TILLMAN BEFORE COMMITTEE (Continued From First Page.) came on by the legislative committee and one thing and another was brought out in connection with the dispensary management, showing a condition of mismanagement and cor rnption, that was disgusting and dis graceful, causes me to turn again and say wherein has this board obeyed the 'law? I found from the testimony that came out and I learned from gen eral conversation that the require-. ment in the dispensary law with ref erence to signing requests that would serve as a basis of settlement be tween the county dispenser and the town and county was not obeyed; I found that these things' had been thrown in the waste basket and I said here is, a board ignoring the statutes in regard to the purchase of liquor and this other matter which would leave things to run out at both ends. Why this was done I could not an swer and I have not been able to state any intelligible reason in my own mind why. If you will examine the oath that these men took you will see' that they swore to support and en force the law. They broke it in the first place in regard to purchasing and in the second place in regard to that particular point in the dispen sary law which I regard as of vitali importance, and I might mention one or two other particulars in which they kave disobeyed and failed to enforce it. I began to feel that these men, if not corrupt, certainly were under sus * picion. As to the condition in Spar tanburg, I analyzed that and 1 found that under the law the county board of Spartanburg had been practically appointed by the coutny delegation from Spartanburg. The law was " elrnged, I do not know how many years ago, taking away from the governor, where it had, been, this re-! sponsibiity in regard to the adminis tration of the law and putting it in 'the hands of the board to be electe'd by the legislature. This certainly was political machinery. I therefore decided that it was time for me to take a hand in South Carolina poli tics once more. I went about in re sponse to invitations and made speech es at various places and I prepared several paragraphs of those speeches in typewritten copies and put them in the papers. I was still unwilling to charge dishonesty. Evidenc~e has beeni produced that this same .board has. bought from the glass works down here bottles at an excessive price and the same bottles or similar bottles: which could be bought in North Caro lina or in Georgia at lower prices; and whiskey has been purchased at excessive prices the very same or bet ter whiskey is sold by the distiller or manufacturers of Georgia at lower yrices. This smoke was getting very big and it seems to me stealing was going on here. I had the courage to say it and I. believe it and that is all there is to it. Thati s the basis of it. Now who has got it I do not know. I will say in this connection I want~ this committee in response to speech es that have been made and demand one way or another that they probe this thing to the very root. Go back to the beginning and come on down, or begin here and go back, whichever! you choose; just so you travel the road from end to end. Investigate Governors Tillman, Evans, Ellerbe and MeSweeney. I demand it so far as I am concerned and I leave it to you gentlemen to do as you please. I have nothing to conceal or to be afraid of from an investigation by .any mortal, either alive or dead. which could be brought out against. me. I started to say that for years and years, less frequently of late, in the past very commonly so, 10 or 11 years ago there were accusations, charges, insinuations, sneers, appear ig~ in certain newspapers and utteredl by certain people' that T had linedl my pockets with rebates and had 2otten rich. When I left the governor 's ofice in '94 1 returned to my home in edgfield. I had .occasion .to buy] some land for the piurpose of getting a home on the railroad. I was born and reared ten miles from a depot or a telegraph office. Having been elect ed to the senate of the United States, it was necessary that I should get in touch with the world more intimately, so I bought a plantation at Trenton for which I paid cash. This buzzing in the air, this slander and these lies. I will say. going about the country. notwithstanding the people had pass ed on them by electing me, they were passed on in the campaign of '94, when I was practically elected to the senate, these things caused some peo ple to go to Edgefield and search the records to see what I had, how much property I possesed, and it was parad ed in the press that Senator Tillman had bought a plantation; my life was invaded, my personal property was not sacred. The probe of the enemies of Ben Tillman went into my indi vidual business and they would pub lish facts necessitating at last my friend, Mr. W. A. Clark, president of the Carolina National bank, to come out and state that he had loaned me from his bank the full amount of the purchase money, $6,000-because I had entered public life poor and if there is any credit to claim it. I am poor yet. (Interrupted by applause.) They paraded my individual affairs. I want to say without presuming to criticise you gentlemen of the commit tee, you know your own business and you ought 0) be able to discharge it intelligently without suggestion2 from me, when I saw from reports that your members had gone about trying to find out something about the present financial status of the present members of the board it was under stood that you could not go into such things as that. Why make these dis criminations ? I had to endure it. Are these men any better than I am ? If public money has found its way into officials' private pockets it is your duty to investigate it and don't honey fuggle but to go to the bottom in any way possible. (Applause.) Chairman Hay-Where is your au thority for that, Senator Tillman? Senator Tillman-I am giving cir cumstantial evidence coupled with va rious statements that have been brought out in evidence and it is in evitable I would say that no mani would prostitute his office and diso bey the law so brazenly and openly in making purchases for the state at these exorbitant rates over and above! prices people in other states are pay-I ing if there was not something in it for them. That is the logic of the situation. Circumstantial evidence is! the strongest evidence when it will old and it is very weak when it will ot hold. Why would any man ob ject to his private affairs being in estigated if his character is involv d ? I cannot see how any man can refuse to have the fullest investiga ion made in a financial way or in any ther way if his name is involved. If e owns~ any p)rop)ertyv he oughtl to be ble to explain where lie got iP and here the money came from. Here is another corroborative stateient go ng around, that one member of the board resigned a $1,300 place to take! ne at $400. I do not know whether that is so or not. You, gentlemen, an find out. if he did. it is a won derful thing to do; in Washington you always find them wanting a little higher salaries, want more pay. I de pend as far as I am going upon the ircumstances which I have adduced. showing the failure of this board to obey the law in two very important particulars and the evidence brought out by this investigation, showing that glass had been bought under De uliar eireumstances. To describe it. using a mild phrase, as to the whis key that has been bought and these other things, why should a public offi eer engage in such transactions if there was not something in it fo r him? That is all there is to it. Let~ somebody answer that. (Senator Tilman then went into a minute de scription of the brands of whiskey that had been bought under his ad ministration, his trips to different parts of the country, the manner of manufacturing the different brands. prices paid for same and the manner in which purchased). Mr. Lyon--Did you ever request Governor Evans to mg~ke any pur hase from the Mill Creek Distilling~ cmpany, at a higher price than the Ross company offered. and ir so. what was paid on it ? A. I do not recolleet that I ever id proablyv T did. T thmwght theI man who stood by t-he dispensary in its infancy ought, should, not be thrown overboard because some recti fier from Baltimore or elsewlhere would come down liere and offer rot gut to us at lower prices. Mr. LvoiL-'So far as I am inform ed, the committee has no other ques tion to ask unless some individual member has, or. the board of directors who stand uider accusation as I un derstand it. They may possibly de sire to be heard ltrough their repre sentatives. ff so, I suggest. that he come on the stand and take my place, in order that he may propound such questions as he may desire. I make the motion that the board of directors or any particular member who may be here he given anl opportunity to be heard if they so desir,. By Mr. BeUinger. General Bellinger, who represents Messrs. Boykin and Towill, proceed ed to question Senator Tillman. as follows: Q. Your intention in offering your self to the committee was to testify as a witness? A. I did not offer myself to the committee except under this condi tion: The newspapers were sneering and using every imaginable argument against the dispensary and suggested that Senator Tillman ought to come before the committee and tell what he knows. I had been making speeches and feeling then as now. I was will ing to give any light I could. I did not have as much information then as now, but I was ready to appear before' the committee whenever they wanted me. Q. That is the point I wish to em phasize. At the time you offered yourself to the committee you did not have as much information as you have now? A. No. Q. Your idea in coming before the committee was to make a speech be fore the committee, was it? Or to testify to facts which you yourself ner'e acquainted with? A. I. did1 not feel like makiing a peech. I have p.leuty of. op)portunli ics to miake speeches. Q. You will please answer my~ (uestion. senator. A. .1 had no puriipose to make a speech, because I would not have an adience and I caninot talk veryx well o empty benches. Q. WVas it your desire to appear efore the committee and testify as to facts? A. I certainly would not state aything that were not facts or as I elieve them to be. Q. 'Your intention iln coming be ore the committee was for what pur A. To make a siuggestioni and that hey might get ut the truth. Q. IDid yout not 0on sever'al ocea ~ios5 at various p)laces inl this state ad perhaps in Washington once or w 'ice state that there was collusion ad fraud and( you could prove\' it? A. WVhat t stated was in tihe p)a >ers. Q. That you could prloveC it A. To prove it from circumstan tial evidence which I. have adduced. Q. Did you make this statement, that there was collusion and fraud nd you could prove it ? A. I have got a very bad memory s to the exact phrase. 1 have been en aged from 12 to 16 hours a day since ongress met and I have not got this! atter in shape in the few moments f consideration as I would glance hrough the papers at night and see what was going on and I had no pur pose in saying anything about the sit-I ation down here until some gentle men of the legislature dragged my ame in. Q. You wanted to comae here to 'indicate yourself? A. I have got nothing to vindi .ate. What do you mean by v'indi eating my position? Q. When you charged the dispeni sary board, the present managers of that board, with fraud and stated that the dispensary -system was good and the only thing to do was to turn out the present thieves, that is the posi tion you desired to come down here nd sustain yourself on? A. I did not desire to come here t all. If somebody had not asked that I should come. and you are the very mani. T helieve, who did it. But for that. I would b,e in Washington Q. Don't you think. representing as I do, some of the members of the .ard he T ased. thisc.ommittee Come an Dainty Turnove> Collai c. & Q. to bring you here that you should try to prove what you said you could prove? A. So far as I ani concerned. I did not think anything about it. I stand wn my record. stand on my character. tand oin what I am and what I have . done. Q. You have said that you were harged by many people in this ] state with lining your pockets with ebates and commissions when you ere managing this dispensary? A. You know that to be so. Q. I know this was so. You were o charged. A. Yes, sir. Q. And a great mainiy people in the 4ate believed that? A. Yes. I believed they did. Do vou want to know my reason? Q. No use to give that now. A. Xou do not want jmy oini~on~ Q. You can give it. A. .1 look at it fr.om this stand oint: There is no doubt if I h]ad )eenl corrupt and wanted to make noney out of my position as governor ii buying whiskey, 1 could have done1 it.' There is no use to dispute that roposition. It is too self-evident that those men who were my enemies av I could do it if I so willed and they reasoned i.t he could, he has, and then the inevitable corollary follow d. that they believed I had stolen eause if they had been in my place they would have stolen. (Applause.) Q. Senator, will you please give s niow~ the evidence upon which you )ased your conclIusion that those bomn vou charged with stealing had dolen ? I want to test y-our circum-j iatial evidence. Have von given s thle facts upionl which youn base our oni* lus4ionh15tI tIhai this iatingernent d (islonesi, the presenlt mnanageniellt. hch youi have placed before this ~ommittee? ? A. Let me suggest. .1 am suggesting :o the committee and not you. You ire not the man. Q. You say this is unot a request o comp)etitive bids? (Mr. Belling r exhibits the circular which the sen- I ator had previously read.)( A. I do. Q. What would be? A. A bid or advertisement which ould specify in terms that you could recognize and prove when you receiv d it whether or not it had come up to ~pecifications. Q. How would you prove that fact.' Leaving out the chemical purity andi the standard test of 100? A. I1 would go to the government ond warehouse and I would buy it nut of the warehouse. .Q. Did you do that. with Hubbel? A. No, and I have told you why. Q. If you di.d not do that when you had charge of the dispensary, ~xhy do you say these men should do o iow? A. Because they have had the op) portuity with cash to do it and I hid not. I had to buy on credit. Q. When you managed the dispen av the law did not require any comi petit ive bid ? A. No. didl noi require anlybi ing at all. . You had theC entirye ma nigement A. 'Yes. sir: and the c-omptrerei eneal end the attorney geiarn12 Q. Th- mjDinu infrinsie valuej ISee . .. Everytl in NEC rs, 7 and Cuff Sets, Lace Stole S. MOW STATE (CONDI The Exchange Bank December "ommenced business September, 1905.~ I44' RESOURCES. ,oans andl~iscounts ......$ 79,304 12 Purniture and fixtures......... 3,251 75 )ue from Banks................. 11,616 89 )verdrafts.............. ... ....... 462 63 ,ash and cash items............ 23,505 44 $118,140 83 We beg that you give our statement y pectfully solicit your business. We are prepared to offer you every fa ustify. Remember, too, we pay 4 per c ompounded semi-annually, January and J. D. DAVENPORT, President. R. C. CARLISLE, Vice-President. BEG. D. 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