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The Abbeville Press and Banner. | BY HUGH WILSON. ABBEVILLE, 8. C., WEDNESDAY, APKIL 12, 1893. ESTABLISHED 1844 '|j MM Fait THE DIFFERENT VARIETI OF DEMOCRATIC DOCTRIN! The Chicago, the St. Louis, 1 Ocala, the Omaha, the Allian the Sub-Treasury, the Anl Cleveland and the Post Cle\ land Varieties are as Good any, at Washington, ?? LABEL YOURSELF ANY KIND A DEMOCRAT, AND PICK YOUR OFFICE. Much Fuss and Little Wo ? -? Po?lniMlrr-MehnolmRiiter Bluel! I quired (be Boy* fo Belinve The M?>lveM. or El?9 He Would DIhid (he School. ^ ALL SORTS AMD VATIETIE8 OF DEI CRATS CAREFULLY DESCRIBED. Our New Representatives, as Well as ( Old Representatives, Show More Te per than Becomes the Dignity or Tt Respective Stations and Fersonalltlei The State. Washington, April 5.?The following 1 complete stenographic report ol the hmir given the "Reform" members of the Soi Carolina Congressional delegation by P? master General Blssell on the 5th Inst.: Washington, Aprils, 1883.?At3o'ciocl m. there assembled In the office of the P< master General of the United stales, Postraukter Genera), Senators Butler i lrbv, Representatives Talbert, Latimer, SI and Btrau aud ex-Representatives H?mpt and Johnstone. THE POSTMASTER IMPOSES CONDITIONS. The Postmaster General: Before proof tiiK with this conference I desire to tnab suggestion. I know how important this e Jectlstoall of you gentlemen, and I ka that when political questions arise they apt to engender a good deal of personal U lug; and so we will go ahead with tills oon ence now, upon the express stipulation t upon any angry words being used, I shall t inmate it. 1 want both sets of gentlemen accord me the privilege of terminating t conference at any time I have a mind without assign lug any reason for It. I des that every gentleman here present shall i demand that, so that there will be no pert* al offense to any gentleman here or to i Leave me the right to decide that. I call y< attention to that at the beginning, so ll yuu lllttj uidvub0 luio uiovki uinuaooiuuuv and coolly all the way through. If you ag to tbat, we will proceed. SKNATOK 1KHY ACCEPTS. Senator Irby : On the part of the Refo Congressmen from Soul b Carolina I wish nay that the proceedings will oe conduc with the utmost decorum; but I feel that 1 Incumbent upon me to say tbat a gentleii from South Carolina baa said tbat Gen. ? lerbad declared to him that be whs com to thin conference loaded, with stick lu bt and pistol lu pocket. I wish to say, on part of the Reform Congressmen, that we loaded with arguments or Justice and rlt but tbat we have no pistols, aud shall c duct this Investigation with the utmost corum. The Postmaster General: If there Is t of that klud of busluess? SENATOR BUTLER NOT ARMED. Senator Butler: That makes an Issue p ty sharply at once, it my colleague has i Idea that I have a pistol or anyitilug m than a cane, which 1 am obliged to useSenator Irby: I only 6 pea ft of it oecaus was told to me by J. II. Tiluian, eorrespo entof the Angu?ta Cnronicie. Senator Butler: Do you give lilmasy authority ? Senator Irby: Ye*, sir. Senator ButU-r: I never raid that. TL Ik not n sellable of foundation lor it?tic syllable. I never curried a pistol lu my I Tbe proposition Ik too absurd to be repec in tbls presence?too ridiculous. I am a tie amazed tbat my colleague obocld hi thought It oecersary to have repeated sue statement, knowing me as well as be does. Senator Irby: He gave tills iurormatloc tbe presence of three Congressmen ft South Caroliua. Tbe Postmaster General: Who Is hi newspaper man ? senator Irby: Yes, sir! The Postmaster General: I have been li but a short time, but I find that these ne paper men we \ery apt to get up Jokes must assumetnat this is a jjkeuntit lam i differently advised. Senator Irby: 1 am ready to assume the Is a Joke, but I thought it proper thai ; should know It NtWSPAPKK JOKES. The Postmaster General: We may sai assume that li is simply a grotesque sug tion. Let us brush that away. It that rl Is reserved to me?I do not quite Bee how 1 leaslble to give that power to anybody eli we will proceed. Senator Irby: I must cheerfully acc that right to the Podmanter General. Senator Butler: I do not think it necess for you to accord him mat rlgbt. The P master General can do that without any < senton your purl. The Postmaster G^nerel: I* might hup In thiB way; that In the heat of the dls iilon to terminate the conference might 8< unfair to one side or the other, If It Is do lowed to reply to something tbat has b said by the other side. That being un stood, suppose, now gentlemen, that we ceed. who got up the fracas. Senator Butler: I think we ought to st Mr. Postmaster General, that I am here your invltatlou entirely. Tbe Postmaster General: That Is tru? received word that you (referring to Re sentatlve Latimer) were to be here. I th you gave me the word personally. You i you gentlemen would like to be heard on question. Senator Irby: And that lam hereon invitation also. The Postmaster General: I wrote a le to Senator Butler, telling him that we wi lake the matter up and asking him to be sent. Mr. Hemphill: Mr. Johnstone and ray Mr. Brawley, Is absent from the city The Postmaster General: I think I n tloned him in ray letter. Mr. Hemphill: He is absent from thee tie U In South Carolina. The Postmaster General (to Mr. Latlm< This meeting was convened on j'our sug tlOD. Representative Latimer: Yes, sir! The Pt stmaster General: Then sup] you state the purpose, and open It. WHAT THE REFORMERS WENT TO WASH TON FOR. Representative Latimer: We came Washington, alter having returned hornet the Inauguration, for the purpose of looi into the postotllce appointments. Dr. Si and myself went Into the office of tbe Foi Assistant Postmaster General. Mr. Mux\ and Introduced ourselves. He said to Ktrali: "Senator, I am very glad to see ; There Is a little mutter I wish you to exp In regard to the Third Party Congress iroin your State." He pulled out a list of members of the Fifty-third Congress, and we saw pencil marks at my name, Dr. Stralt'R name aud Mr. McLnurln's name. I asked him what that meant. He said, "These are | the Third Party Congressmen." I said, "1 am J Latimer, and that Is Dr. Strait. We are not ! Third partyites. I never uttered a Third pari tp sentiment In public In my life." These 11 charges have been made, Mr. Postmaster General, down in otir districts through the newspapers, and finding our names marked in the Fourth Assistant Postmaster General's office, It was natural for us to inquire who did It _ The Postmaster General said we should come TPP back and see him again : that there would be Jjj|) nothing done In our State uutil this was Investigated. We left there and went back to our hotel, and that Is why we asked for this JJ conference. THE BLACK LIST. The Postmaster General: So far as that is concerned I want to say right here that I had , a conversation, I think with you, but certalnilie ly with two or three other gentlemen, who are associated with you, (I think you were QP present.) In which I explained to you that > the llstyou referred to was a list of the dlsifi_ trlcts In the wtiole country that had been made up by some clerk In the department aud bad been laid upon my desk, and rere~ mained here open lyou this desk all the time for weeks until the-tfourth Assistant Postmasas ter General was nominated and confirmed. Alter that I handed the list over to him. 1 did not touch the list; I made no check marks or any other marks on it. I do not know who made up the list. It was made up as a list of all the district* in the United States, as I understand It. I did not even QF look at It. I handed it over to Mr. Maxwell and said : "Tnls may be of service to you." Now. that Is the beginning and the end of the relation of the Postofflce Department to that list. There was no determination about it as to a Third party man, or a Democrat, or a Kenuhiican. or anything of the kind: there I was no decision or determination upon tliat list That I explained, and I supposed that wan understood by you gentlemen tully. I Representative Latimer: I understand ftl that; but the only point in my mind is tbat vl> there is a contest in our 8tate and tbe Fourth Assistant Postmaster General having said that there would be nothing done until this was investigated, I asked lor this. Re- Fourth Assistant Postmaster General, m. That Is proper. Inn LATIMER'S POLITICAL FAITH. Representative Lxtlmer: lam ready here to face any men whoever accused me of being a Third parlylte or having uttered a Third party sentiment on tbe stump. I advocated 10- the Democratic party, I went into my counties alter Cleveland was nominated making speeches, urging the people to vote this Democratic ticket. I never advocated anybody of voting tbe Third party ticket, publicly or privately. Now, if anybody can disprove that, I )ur would like to hear it. or if anybody thinks to m_ tbe contrary, I would like to know 1L I have , always been a Democrat; I have always voted i ieir tbe Democratic ticket. I never atSlllated i. with or bad any sympathy with any other party. 1'itA D.?o?r*inolorJlonot*o 1 Vnn o 1 trot'c haoo befn a Democrat, and are now a Democrat? ? 0 Representative Latimer: Yes, sir; I nave , always been a Democrat, and am now. 11 Po^master-Geueral: And claim to be entl*Jtr tied to recognition us a Democrat, and tbat ' you owe allegiance to none otber tban tbe 1 P- Democratic parly ? ft1 Representative Latimer: Yes,sir. There is lu? h charge tbat I weut to the Omaha oonveu,, tlon. I was not there. I went to St. Louie, to an agricultural convention, sent as a delegate 1111 from my State?to the Alliance convention; went In there as a delegate and took part in the proceedings. But when It adjourned and there was amass meeting called and delegates ted- elected to affiliate with the Third party, lea simply because I went to an agricultural conub ventlon at St, Louis. I say there Is not a ow mortal wbo walks the earth who can say tbat are I ever made a Third party speech or advocated jel- ihe Third party In public or in private. Beier fore I finish I want tosay that I went Into the hat Democratic primaries; 1 am chairman of the .er- Democratic party In my county; I went Into to the Democratic primaries and met my oppohls nent, Mr. Johnstone, on the stump, and was to, never accused of being a Third party man In >ire that canvass. I ran as the Democrat lo noml- < nn- nee; In the Democratic primaries be withon drew. I Senator Irby: He was defeated. >ur Representative Latimer: He was defeated hat la the primaries; I got tbe nomination, and j ely then I ran against a Republican. STRAIT HUNTING FOR CHARGES. Representative Strait: I was going to ask If there was any one present who had any rra charges to make. We are Informed there to Were men who had made charges. i ted The Postmaster-General: Does any gentlet Is man desire to make auy charges or asfc any tan questions? It he does, right now is the time 'ut- to do It. lug MlU MR. HEMPHILL REPLIES. t be are Mr. Hemphill: I want to make a state,(ll ment. I represented for ten years the district qD! which Dr. Strait has been elected for. I de_ thought I knew something of the people of that district, and I think so still. As long as tnv the Democratic party In South Carolina was united and had a fixed set of principles upon which the party agreed, there was always a treat deal of kind feeling between the Senators and Representatives here, through which rel* the Representatives of tne Slate practically lu? made the recommendations, so far as the apore golntments of postmasters was concerned, . 1 QHl WH8H CUUriCTV CAbCllUCU IU uo Uj uuu e 11 Senators from South Carolina which was not nd* extended by Senator# from any other 8tates In the Union. That, I understand, has been our varied in some respects, because there are In South Caroltna Democrats with different kinds of faith. That Is the trouble in this iere matter. u 1 do not say that these gentleman are not ''Ie: Democrat*. according to their conception of '"J1 what Democracy Is, but I say that I have a 1,1 right to make a recommendation to the Post*ve master General of this Department, first, as a " a citizen of South Carolina; second, as a man who has represented that district (or ten ' ln years, and who understands It as well as any om man In the country doe* understands it, and because I have always been and am to day a a firm believer in Mr. Cleveland and the policy which he believes ln and the policy which he was electeu to carry out. iere The question, It seems to me, Is this: What ws* kind of Democrats are these gentlemen? I ! * have no personal accusation against them. it,a They have a right to advocate whatever principles they want to- but the question is tl 11 whether or not they advocate such a Deraoc>ou racy as Mr. Cleveland wants to sustain, is to recognize and to encourage in South Carolina. That, it seems to me, is the real question. Now, as I say, I wanted to make some reo(ely ommendatlons here on the grounds that I ge>t- have stated, and because Senator Butler,as he ght stated to you the other day, has asked me to It is do that because he wanted come Information Be? which I bad, and which he did not possess, In reference to the people there. It Is a matter ora WCII ttUUWU IU an UI UO UVIO vuav vuvie (*l v different views Id the Democracy of South . iary Carolina, and that Mr. Cleveland shall either ost- suntain one side or the other, and It Is Tor him son- to determine which side he will sustain. I may say that I came here in addition to pen that because I am surprised to see these gencus tlemen here. Dr. Strait, the gentleman with ?ern whom I ran at the primaries, was a member t al- of the convention which adopted the famous ^en resolutions in May recommended by Mr. LuU der- imer. These resolutions have been printed prt>. from one end of this country to the other. They say that the nomination of Mr. Cleveland Is a prostitution to Democracy. Did they believe It, or did they not believe it ? Jf atj, they believed It, then Mr. Cleveland 1b corrm rupMnu the Democracy of this country. II on Mr. Cleveland believes that, let blm stand by , . the people who think that of him. If he does 1 not believe that he Is corrupting the DemocK racy of the country and prostltuttng It, then I a in 8tt/ 'le ou*htto recognize his friends, j,, I say, therefore, that I am astonished that lulB these gentlemen are here asking for patron, . age. Of course, we aie all inclined to fudge 1118 people somewhat by ourselves, but If I had , denounced any prominent Democrat of this ni<i country as a tool?I had better read the exact nrL words for fear I may misquote; "Weshall pre" look upon the nomination of ex-President lr Cleveland"?so says the resolution?"if forced seu> upou the party at the Chicago convention, as a pruMuuuuu w iue pnuuificoui i/ouiuunuj ; leu* uh a repudatlon of Ihe demands of the Far .. # mere' Alliance, which embody the true prln"y! ciples of Democracy." [They have settled what their ideas of Democracy are] 'Viid a iTj~ surrender of the rights of the people to the :ges- tlau.nclul kings or the oountry." I say that If I thought Mr. Cleveland was that kind of a man, that he was prostituting po*e tije principles of my parly, that be had surrendered himself and the party to which I ing- belong to the financial kings of the country, 1 would not ask blm for an office. 1 do not see how I could ask It of him. Therefore. 1 say, to that is one reason why I have undertaken to ifter recommend at this place some people for apdug pointment. iralt ikby's question to hemphili,. iirth veil, Senator Jrby: Will you allow me to ask Dr. one question ? you. The Postmaster General : Certainly. lain Mr. Hemphill: Certainly. men Senator Irby: When the Alliance caucus the was held In your district to nominate a man to run as the Alliance candidate In the Dei orratlc primaries, did you not go before th caucus and ask its nomination and endon ment? HKMl'IIILl/S ANSWER. Mr. Hemphill: I ?m very willing toansw that question. I will state to the Senator th I did no such thing. When the Alliance ca cub, (which is a secret organization, whii the gentleman well knows,) undertook to bj who should be the nominee of the Democn jc party In South Carolina, It did so withoi my knowledge, so far as the nominating an body Is concerned, because it Is a secret orga lzation, and I am not a member of it. It m at Rock Hill, and a leading Alllanceman, t! lecturer ot that district, I think be Is. wro me a letter in order to get my views uni p-iblic questions to submit to the caucus' Rock Hill. I thought then a9 I think no1 that if a man has anything to say, let hi say it openly, where people can hear it ac let him know what is said on the other side. I went to Rock Hill Instead of sending a 11 ter. I did not ask to go there. I was invite When I went there I stated that I did n know whetner their purpose was to nomlna anybody or no, but that I would accept i nomination except that upon the platform the Democratic party. That is what I state It was stated by some who was at the caucu as tbe gentleman's question seems to in mate, that I bad done differently, and I d nounced it In my own district as untrue; at it is untrue. Representative Strait: We can prove tba Mr. Hemphill: It does not make any di fernce. Senator Irby: One at a time. Mr. Hemphill: Have you any other que tlon. IRBY ASKS MORE QUESTIONS. Senator Irby : As the chairman of tl Democratic party of South Carolina, I wou like to ask whether, after he was defeated I the Democratic primaries, he did not wrl me a letter In which he stated fhat he woo be glad or proud?I have forgotten the won of It?to go before the district and ndvoca the election of Mr. Straltagalnst a Republics nominee? Mr. Hemphill: I do not remember usli the name of any particular party. The Postmaster General: 1 think, perba] It would be a little more orderly pot to lntf rupt. Let each gentleman finish his arg meat. Senator Irby: I yield to your better J ud ment. He did write me that letter. Senator Butler: I object to Interruptions. The Postmaster General: That you have right to say. Mr. Hemphill: Do not get excited. The Postmaster General: I purposely askt the gentleman to open, thinking perhapB yc might desire to reserve yourself for the cloe Senator Irby : I assure you that I will m Interrupt him, if la not the pleasure ol tl Postmaster General. The Postmaster General: Perhaps we wl get along more expeditiously the other way. HEMPHILL PROCEEDS. Mr. Hemphill: There is no use of gettit excited. It is a question of polttlcal fait I It Is not a personal matter. The gentleme can not complain that their utterances ai liven In the publlo print so that ihey may t fudged by them. I will state tbat I was Invited by the N tlonal Committee to take part In the can palgn In other Stales, but before leavln iouth Carolina. I wrote a letter to him. f chairman ot the executive committee of th State, offering myself to the Democratic part of South Carolina. Thai la what I did. Bi as the Senator well knows, as we all knoi there are a greut many people in South Ca [>llna with different views as to what Demoi racy Is, and the Postmaster General know very well that Democraoy Is a term whto covers a good deal more In South Carollc than it does in other oountrles, simply b uause the white people are Inthe mlnorlt; and they must either stand together or t swamped by the negroes. Thatls all thei Is Id It. There are a great many people 1 the Democratic party aud a great many thinj ire done in the name of that party, thi would not be done in any other State for thi reason. That is all there is In this question, it seen; to me; that is, there are Bome gentlemen hei who believe that the sub-Treasury Is a -gre> thing; they believe that other things of thi kind, setting forth What they think is tru Democracy, should be set up In this country and become a part of the national Demo racy. There are others of us who believe the the true principles of Democracy are set fort in the Chicago platform, and we are divide upon-that question. If Mr. Cleveland wanl to take up, or If his administration does, wit those people who have denounced him, huv nald that he has prostituted the principles < the party, that be Is a tool of anybody upo the top or the earth, he has a right to do it but that does not say that l, as a citizen < the State, do not have a right to exprenB m views to blui or to any member of Ills cat Inet. That is simply what I am here for?toaaj that la my hODest opinion, the best that c? be for this administration or for the part that we represent is for Mr. Cleveland an his cabinet to encourage tbo?e people who be lieves In the principles of the Democracy the we believe in, that we believe In. and fc which we have fought in South Carolina. I d not think that these gentlemen will notden that I have a statement here published 1 the paper with reference to Dr. Strait, state In a speech on June 11, at Lancaster, reporte by a stenographer. "The Alliance."? Representative Strait: I would like to sa that she is not a sworn stenographer. Mr. Hemphill: It does not make any di ference whether she Is sworn or not she Is a honest woman. "The Alliance has elected me as its stand ard bearer, and I arn going to plant that flu on Its bulwarks, aud if necessary, further." That is Just the whole question. I have great deal of other testimony here of varloi kinds and descriptions, all going show tht that the Idea that these gentlemen have < Democracy Is a different Idea from what ? have. Now, I want to say, General, that so far as am concerned I have no objection In Ui world to those gentleman recommending an body for these appointments that they see fl They have a right to recommend people, J Is not a matter that belongs to Represents tl ves to appoint postmasters. It is for the E: ecutlye Department of this government, does not belong to them any more than does to me. Ills the duty of the PostmasU General and his assistants to make these a| polu tments, and if be choos s to take the re ommendation of somebody else lhan th man who thinks that they belong to him, h has a right to do it; and if I make a recon mendatlon here, as 1 have a rltfbt to do as citizen, and It Is not followed, I shall notcon plain. Senator Irby: You do not claim It as a ex-member of Congress? Mr. Hemphill: Of course not; as a cltlzei as u man wno by reason ot my long servlt for the people of the district know what I ai talking about wheu I make a recommei datlon. Take my own town, for Instanc Do you suppose that I am not an good a judj ot who should bethe postmaster there as an; body else? I know that there Is a wldo there with six children, whom I was able I keep In during the whole of Mr. HarrlRon administration. I do not know anythln about whom Dr. Strait recommends or un; body else, but I say 1 am as good a Judge i anybody as to that district. I say I do n< believe Mr. Cleveland or bis cabinet will, upo tbe recommendation of all the people outslc of that district turn that poor woman ot when she bas a right to stay there, and have a right to recommend her, and I t>ha recommend her. Theie are similar offices a over the State. Senator Irby : Is t hat customary ? Mr.Hemphill; What customary ? Senator Irby: For defeated Democrat cai dldates Mr. Butler : I object to that. Senator Irby:'To make theae recommei datlons ? Mr. Hemphill: I do not care to answi that. I have a right to recommend anybod that I see fit, as I said. I am largely Intere* ed in South Carolina. I tiave lived thei all my life; my people have lived there lor before me. I have a right to advocate thoi principles thut I believe will be for tbe be I ?-??? rtf tho *Htoln onH (ho nonnlp In I These gentlemen have a right to do win they think 1b bent. I do not complain of I I do not say that simply because they ha| pen to be chosen temporarily to represei these districts; that does not put Into the hands the power to say who shall be the c lice holders In South Carolina. All that ask U that this department and the other d partments ol the government will take Inl consideration the condition of South Carol ua and Its people in determining the polk which this administration will have to settl upon, because the people of the country Jud| the policy of an administration by the clai of people who are appointed to represei It. They know the government through tli people with whom they come In contact, an If Ihose who have denounced Dernocra< have spoken of Its great leader as these pe pie have spoken of hltn, are to come he and say that Tom, Dick and Harry are to I the representaMves of this Koverment ! South Carolina, it will discourage those wl have been honestly in favor of the policy the party and of the administration as it I m- and will give them a black eye ; It will give at them a set back and we will not be able to le- make the flght we ought to makefor brlntrlng back South ;Carolina to its true condition. That is all there is in this tight. er THE RULE THAT GOVERNS THE POSTMASTER at, GENERAL?HE DOESN'T SEEM TO MINI) U- LATIMER'S RESOLUTIONS. cb ? iy The Postmaster General; Before you pro,t. ceed, let me say two things. These things ,t perhaps will eliminate some of the questions yl under discussion. One Is with reterence to n. this general subject of patrouiige and of the et method of arriving at It. I have stated behe fore, and stated quite speoiflcally to the delete gallon from Missouri two weeks ago, the rule, and I will make the same rule as to Sout h at, Oarollna that Is made for Missouri and every w other State. That Is this: The recommendam' tion of the member of Congress, or tbe Senid ator, as the case may be, Is not conclusive. It is presumptively in favor of tbe gentleman or applicant In whose favor it Is given. It Is Id. not conclusive. The recommendation of a ot member of Congress from Tennessee was ie overruled this week, and an applicant not 30 endorsed by the member ot Congress was apof pointed to the office. That was at Ripley, d Tennessee. It Is not conclusive in any disi8* trlctln the United States, and so far as tbe til Postofflce Department is concerned, it will e. not be, so long as I am here. ,d Mr. Hemphill: That Is ail we ask. The Postmaster General: If It were, It Lt, would amount to tbe legislative branch of If! tbe government absorbing the executive branch. Now, I do not know any theory whereby the legislative branch has the right >s. to absorb that. If they have, then they do not need any officer here with discretion. Then they would get along well enough bo Jar as this brjrach of the government Is con, cerned, with a clerical officer outside to rei ? cord the will of the legislative department of J? the goverment. It would not ueed unybody to exercise discretion. rf The recommendation of the Democratic member is presumptive, however, but back of all this Is the desire on the part of the ad? ministration to get at the will of the people ln In every locality. That is the first thing. That is where the thing will start in every Instance. The administration does not claim that it has a right to dispose of this patronage as a personal perquisite, but that It holds it ? ln trust for the benefit of the Democratic party of the nation, and that the Democratic masses are to be recognized. In order to ascertain who they are, the best evidence obtainable from all quarters will be had and all the light possibly thrown on the subject. a That, as nearly and as clearly as I can stat9 it, is the position of this department, and, I , think, generally of the administration on this patronage question. That Is one subJ ecu The other subject is this: That I think it rather a waste of time on the other side now to pick up anybody here upon expressions ,, made in the heat of the canvass prior to the nomination of the President. I think this is rather a waste of time. I am not going to hold tiny man accountable for anything he said at that time, so lar us I am ooncerned; ir I do not think that is quite fair. There are H. a great many men, not ln your State nor in your section of the country, but ln other secre Hons of the conn try, who were Just as much >e opposed to Cleveland and his nomination as anybody in South Carolina could possibly a- have been, yet who yielded -to the result of o- the Chicago Convention, and the result later ig on, and they arejust as good Democrats as ?s anybody else, and are entitled to decent, fair o treatment and recognition. y If these things are understood, I think we it may go on wnn ine discussion 01 iuu umei questions. POSTMASTER TO BE ENDORSED BY THE PAT"g RONS OF THE OFFICE. k Senator Builer: Mr. Postmaster General ' If you will pardon Just one moment, In a con. versatlou you had with me, you announced ;? another rule whicb seemed to me to be a very 'p admirable one. It was In regard to not ap" pointing postmasters from outside of the delivery of the office. J, The Postmaster General : We want a man :: in the locality, and we want him endorsed by the patrons of the office. I am Just about, |a today or tomorrow, as soon as I can get to It, I" to recommend the removal of a person now In office because he has moved out of the :: bailiwick. I shall Insist In every instance that the people must be from the locality. P. STRAIT EXPLAINS TO WHAT PARTICULAR ^ VARIETY OF DEMOCRATS HE BELONGS. h Representative Strait: It has been charged d and grossly charged, that we are not Demote crate, and I am informed that it has been clrb culuted all over this town, and is being, and re all over our State. We went Into the convenJf tlon In South Carolina, and Mr. Latimer Ina trrviupfid the resolutions and I endorsed <? them. At tbat time Mr. Cleveland was not vominated, sir. We elected a solid delegay tlon to represent the State of South Carolina. >- which went to the Chicago Convention and knocked at the door and were admitted. f, How were they admitted? As Ocalaites? Not n a word about It. They were admitted as y Democrats. What does the word "Democrad cy" mean? Does It not mean a rule by the 3- people, a government by the people, for the it people, and of the people ? Had it not been >r for the united action of Mr. Latimer and mylo gelf, and a few others who stood In the y breach o( the Third party, the Democracy ot n South Carolina could never have elected an d electoral ticket to represent Mr. Cleveland. If Mr. Cleveland bad looked upon these resolutions as obnoxious and hateful, he is too great and too noble a man to have allowed y these men to come in and to vote for him, If It had been a test vote. He is too great and r- too noble. n Mr. Hemphill knows that he entered into this contest with me as a Democrat. If he ! I Hiri nni. whv. he has dUicraced the name 01 g Democracy by allowing It to go undetected In the State of South Carolina, when be a could bave come out and said : "Gentlemen, is thlB Is not Democracy: it Is Third part} Ism, it it Is Ocalaism. I am a Democrat., and I do not propose to be bound by any such obligations re as 1 would have to the chairman of the Stale Convention."' I Now. these are facts, and when we were ie upon the stump In South Carolina the quesy tlon was repeatedly asked me. "Do you not t. belong to the Third party ? ' J ftaid, "Oh, 110 t sir. my friend, 1 do not belong to any Third i* party." We had a poor, miserable little thing that sprang up there a few years axo, it where a few men put their arms around the It nigger, one arm In their arm and the other sr in their back, and tried to vote them that P- they might destroy the Democratic pariy. c- Mr. Hemphill knows that they were no Demie ocrats,or they would not have called upon ie the nigger. We have never called upon > them, and we never intended to, aud 1 Bland a here today to say to you, with all respect, a- that we are in the Democratic party, and we endorsed those demands, and if we can't get n them in the Democratic party they will never be got by us. If that Is not Democracy, 1 do ? not know what you call it. se Was Mr. Randall ruled from the Democratro ic party because he wub a high tarlfl' man ? >- No, he was not. It baB been charged that wc e refused to go into the Democratic caucus upon the great economic questions. Those were the grounds. Upon all questions iuw vulvlng the great Democratic party we are 0 with htm, and have declared so publicly in interviews. But those are our rights, and we ig reserve them to ourselves, Just as Mr. Kauy dall did upon the tarill' question, Just as Mr. is Calhoun did years ago. but when the great Jt principles of the Democratic party are inn volved, you will lind me aud my Irlends aud le every oue who Is a reformer In Soulli C'aroll>t ua standing In the breach driving back the 1 enemy. ' Tbeu the question lor us now is, Who Is the li Democracy? What does It nteau ? It means rule by the people, and If we can get enough people into the Democratic party to capture It, you do not ob|ect to that. The majority a- rule. We are only advocating the principles that we believe to be right. If we are In error we will find It out soon enough. * I tell you, sir, that my trlend can not Baikal I ever voted any but the Democratic er ticket. In 187(5, when the Democratic party ly was in the hands of rogues, a set of thieves 't- aud robbers, I unfurled the banner and carre rled it to the end. I never had been Im>K peached. Do you not say there Is a illfl'er ?e ence between the Democratic views and Mr. "t Cleveland's views? t. Mr. Hemphill: I say it Representative Strait: It Is for the parly to say what ttie vieww or uie uiiny suuu uv, P* aud not for Mr. Cleveland. The great party >t is composed of three branches, each sepurate If and distinct, and euch equal. >f- We do not stand here begging. All we care I for lu this world Is to be recognized here as e- Democrats, nod not lo he stigmatized by these men as Third partyltes, to go out lo the H* world as Third partyltes and to try and de:y stroy our usefulness be lore this body. I defy le any man to say that I ever cast a vote other than a Democratic vote, that I ever uttered ss an expression other than the embodiment of the p'atform which Mr. Cleveland accepted >? as Democratic when he accepted those elecid tors. :y My friend says he did not appeal to the Alo llance for support. He got that letter, and 1 r,! tell you, genllemeu, he was mighty quick In >c getting there; he was there at the moment, hi when called upon he went before that con* 10 Terence?It was not a convention to nominate, of but merely to suggest a man to represent s, those principles?and he spoke for nearly two | boars; and I vae Informed?I think I prove It?that wben he wound op he said I am not endorsed by this body 1 will n< very much hurt," or something of the ft "feel very much hurt." It Is the plain that he wanted to get those votes. It has been charged that we were elects Third partyltes. In my district I do think there were but243of them. They < not have elected me. I was elected upon same platform as the electors. They end< the whole platform,and when they wen feated they come Into the caucus and dorsed Grover Cleveland as the Democ nominee, the nominee of the Democratic ty for President of the United States. Now, with these facts before you, I t Mr. Cleveland Is too big a man to notice t things. Let me tell you that we came here and posed to meet these gentlemen, who ha right to consult over this matter, and bring this quarrel from South Carollnt here. They refused to do any thing aj al accept a proposition of any kind. Mr. Hemphill; You do not mean Mr. J stone and myself? Representative Strait: Yon have not to do with It, because you are out of It. Mr. Hemphill; I will see about that. Representative Strait: That has beet cldea. As therepresentutlves of the maj< of the Democrats of South Carolina, we I Just as much right to know who these are as anybody else, Mr. Hemphill or body. We have nothing but a suggei right. We are no fools. We did not c here to get patronage. We came here to after the interests of our people, to learn ropes. When we found our name markei Third partyltes. It was enough to stir man who bad thrown himself into tbe br and fought the enemy. I never utten Third party speech other than the Ocala mands. I never said a word about Mr. CI land after I got on tbe stump, dlsrespectfi did I?not a word. I see you charge me standing upon South Carolina's platforr tell you you deserted your mother's. I s upon It. but I stood upon the National form which was a compromise of all the | forms of all the States upon which a g party could meet and make a great b; against tbe common enemy, and decide ferences among surselves. I stand there day, and I am not ashamed of It. I go tber. I accept the State platform In < that- Tbe Democratic platform does no as far as we do. Now. If there Is anytl wrong In that, I would like to know It i-ourse, when we differ among ourselves.! our duty to fight It out among ourselves I advance an idea and you do not agree ' Its wisdom, It is yonr duty to defeat It, not because we hold to certain tenets to mailze us as Third partylted and try to stroy our Influence. It is to blackmail destroy our usefulness before these pe< and we stand here to defend It, and we I that you all will understand It, and to t fellows who come here sueaklng around vately, why, we say that they have no I ness to do It, and we would not do likewli we were in tbelr places. HEMPHILL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BLACK LIST. Mr. Hemphill: I do not kuow that anj luslon has been made to me, but I have sneaked around. I iiave a perfect rlgh make recommendations of people for 01 and I intend to do it. If It Is followed, and good; If It is not, that does not make difference. It has been stated here dU>LI ly bow the matter about the Third p came up from that blacklist. I bad not) to do with and knew nothing about it, ai am In no way responsible for it. L bave said that be Is a Third partyite. I say he is a Democrat, of a kind that, in my c Ion ought not to control the patronag South Carolina. I nave a right to suoli opinion; I am one of his constituent want to say right here that Dr. Strait myself were both candidates. He beat m votes out ol eight or ten thousahd?I do know bow many were cast?so that he not a very big and overwhelming majoril tbe people at his back. STRAIT WANTS TO KNOW IF HEMPHILL ED FOB HIM. Representative Strait: I would like Irnnar If hp rilri nnt vnf.fi for mp fit the election? Mr. Hemphill: I did for the reason th nald 1 would. Representative Strait: III did not re sent the Cleveland Democracy of South olina, I would like to know why be voted me. Mr. Hemphill: I voted for you In the place, because, as you understand and i have stated, there area great many peopli South Carolina who recognize the fact, ai am one of them, that we have to vote f< great many people whom we do not thlnt lor office, because we do not want to swamped by negroes. JOHNSTONE RESEJJTS STKAIT'S INSINUAT Mr. Johnstone: I do not know as I worthy of me to notice any of this talk at sneaking around, doing things underhi and that sort of thing. It has been 8' years since I arrived at the ago of manh and I generally have tried to act my pari dignity, In courtesy, and yet in courngi conceive that I am yet a citizen of South ollna, and I take It for granted that the ( 8tltutlon of the United States and the ( stltutlon of the State mean what they when they say that the government Is dl ed Into three parts?the executive, the 1< latlveand the Judicial; and take It for gr ed that the claims on the part of any of men that they have a right to tate to the administration or alone to rec mend to the administration whom It shall point to office will not be recognized e where by any other set of men. Senator Irby: We never claimed that. The Postmaster General: I do not th that we need discuss that. Mr. Johnstone : Then, as a private cltl /V< pumlina T haua a flffhl (a l/l UU U tti vniuuua, i uw ? u u i iguv vv * w mend whom I please. I bave a right to force it by bringing it to your attention the attention ?.f the President: and whe think I have lh>it right and determine U I am going to do II. Now, sir, logo a little further. There thousands an J thousands of men In So Carolina who d-> not co-operate with tbe tion with which I have been co-operatl and no honest and no truthful man can cuse ibem of being Third party people, addition to that, there are thousands thousands of members of tbe Alllauco ' are as free from any lutentlon or purpose bave all tbe time been as free from any tention or purpose to ship the State lnl Third party movement as I or you or a body else. But where are those who b tried to ship tbe State of South Carolina the Third party? And I have been on those who have attempted to prevent t doing that. VULGAK DISPLAY. Representative Strait: Please state 1 those men are. Mr.Johnstone: I)r.Strait. Representative Strait: We would llk( have the facts. If It Is Mr. Latimer and self, we deny it. as Infamously false. Mr. Johnstone: I lake It that It is usf to Indulge In vulgar display. Representative Strait: lam not goln| do It. The Postmaster-General: Do notlnteri the gentleman. Representative Strait: We Just want tc at. the thing square and straight. The Posimuster-General: I think I right in saying that you were not lnterru] once. You will oblige me If you will make any interruptions. Mr. Johnstone: Nor will anything of i kind prevent me from saying what I wan say. Now, then, there are those who have tempted to ship the people of South Caro in the direction of a Third party, and I that Mr. Latimer has been accused of it, be is believed by large numbers of men t guilty of it. That is all I say. THIRD PARTY COUNTY CHAIRMEN. Why should I again seek to recomm people for positlousln this department, why should I ask you to make the larges qulry as to who should be appointed to i otllces In the district? I wilt tell you wl do it. I have received letter after letter, ter after letter, In which Mr. Latimer has t charged with conferring and consulting ^ open and avowed and proclaimed Third pi men in regard to who should beappoiute postollices in that district. Not every ma South Carolina who is chairman of the U ocratic party In his county is free from taint from Third partyism. un tne conn I have lu these papers right here evident the luet that the name or the chairman of Democratic party in certain counties In S< Carolina signed a call urging the followe; Weaver to rally, and urging them to against Cleveland and for Weaver, the ni uee of the Omaha convention. Senator Irby: state the counties please Mr. Johnstone: They ure there. It matter of opeu history in South Carolina; erybody knows it. Have their reslgnat been called for by the Slate commit Have any steps been taken to oust them I their positions by the State committee' so, I hav<* never heard It. I know they t been called upon in the newspapers alter I went into the Weaver and Held movem can to resign their positions of chairman of :-JIf Democratic party in their counties and t! it be refuse to do it. I know further that Mr. L :lnd; mer has been charged with an intention fact appoint to office?and there are hundreds i thousands ef people who believe it?men v ;d a? signed the call for Weaver's friends to rs not and elect them. This Is not mincing matl iould much. tb? Senator Irby: Mention the Instance. >r8ed Mr. Johnstone: Were you in consul tat 3 de- with John T. Boggs, as to who should be en- pointed postmasters in Pickens county ? fjSg ? GETTING DOWN TO WEAVERITE FACTS. Representative Latimer: Do you wish ninK answer? hose Johnstone: Did not John T. Boggs s the Weaver call In South Carolina? pro- Representative Latimer: If you will al' ve a |UP to answer that question not The Postmaster General: Do yon desire 1 *JP answer? ' 10 Mr. Johnstone: I am perfectly wllllne. The Postmaster General: Ills notaqu OIin" tlou of willingness. Do you desire an 1 hln8 Mr. Johnstone : I do not object. The Postmaster General: You had bet ( de_ go ahead with your argument. >rlty POSTMASTERS MUST LIVE IN THE BAIL/WI men Mr. Johnstone: Further than that, be 1 anv. been openly charged, and It Is tally be)lev< jtlve that be Intends to bring from great distant ,ome into different communities people who 1 look not the choice of the people of the locall <he the community, the bailiwick, the delive j a, a# I believe you technically call It, and 1 anV point them to office. each The Postmaster General: I do not thl id a you need to waste any time on that. , ,ip_ Mr. Johnstone: It shows a reason, he ev? ever, ally The Postmaster General: That we cot with not do. _ n, J Mr* joDDBione : euppose ms recommem tood Lions were never criticised, were never plat- spected, bow would It come toyourattentl plat, that Uiat 1b the /act T You are not enquire real ?r lhe fa?t fiow. It is necessary that tl utile should be called to your attention, in or< dif. that you may not violate your order and ) to- tenllon. fUr. It is useless to mince matters. It is kno' Wlth that almost the entire?mark theexpressl t go ?almost the entire Third party element hlDg South Carolina who did afterward vote Of Weaver claimed the right to participate a It in were allowed the right to participate in Sta i If Congressional and county primaries. Thai with a fact. In other words, the Third party m and claimed the right to come inside the par gttif- stay inside the party, to vote at the 8U de- Democratic primary, the county prima and and the Congressional primary, and then h tpie they got all they wanted, to influence t uope nomination so lar an they could In favor tjese Weaver. Then they afterward, when the gi pri eral election came off, bolted the Democra uusi- party and voied for Weaver. There are a f Be if honorable exceptions to it, and my lnforn tlon is that Mr. Latimer in one of the con ties has bad in consultation as an adviser a the conferee, as to whom he should appoint postofflces in the county, a mata whose bon able instincts prompted him to say that r al- bad no right, holding his conviction, to vi not in the Democratic primary, and be refused t to do it, and said that he was for Weaver a (flee. Field, and believed in Omaba,and note well cago. :any Representative Latimer: I cab explt Inct- that In a minute. arty Mr. Johnstone: Is it not right that bine should be called upon to explain it? T m i Democratic party, mni oom 01 you gem ot wen are acting as trustees of and as cos that dlanof Its interests?I say, acting thus, 1: ipln- not right that you.should be presented w: e of an opportunity to ask him to explain this, i an least, uuusual conduct of bis and susplclc a. 1 conduct of bis? I thluk so. Certain it and that I have called none of them Into my a e 173 ference. Just look at the condition that I not party would be in. Now, mark you, tb< bad Populists, Weaverltes, Omaha people, w y of voted that way and talked that way claim the right to go in and officer the county, voting In the Democratic primaries, wl vot- men tbat they wanted. They claim the'rlg to officer Congress with Representatives tl they wanted. They claim the right to vote the State primary as they wanted, and th< i? 1 now, after bavlng gone and voted foi Wea> and for Field and for Omaha, they ^lalm t at I right to demand of Mr. Cleveland that shall Dut Omaha men nppn duty and np ipre- guard. For what purpose? At some fjtt Car- day, in ail probability, to take the entire g tor rlson In tbe Omaha movement with them. It is openly charged and believed?and 11 first frank to say that I believe It?that Mr. La *8 I mer has bad those men in conference wl 9 1? blm in several counties. There are sevei ad I questions that might well be put to Mr. La >r a mer. I wish It distinctly understood thai ' fit have stated elsewhere, and I state here nc > be mat I am not acquainted with Mr. McLc rln's record; I do nut know It. I do not d v sume to speak about It or for It, for I do s know It; but I do not hesitate to speak abo t 1? Mr. Latimer's record?ndt a minute?for )OUI Ik aud, Senator Irby: Let us have It ome Mr. Johnstone: I do know that, ood, Representative Latimer: lam willing) I in anybody to do tbat. 5, ] Mr. Johnstone : I have been speaking Car- It; I am speaking of It. Jon- Now, Mr. Postmaster General, It might Jon- asked of Mr. Latimer, because it hup be gay chnrged openly, in tbe public nrlnts, a vid- charged by people not residents or South Ci >gl8- ollna, did be not?and I ask tbe question?< HDt- tbe adjournment of tbe 8t. Louis Con ventic set remain in and take part in tbe mass meetl die- that called tbe Omabaconvention? It b :om- been obarged that he did. lap- Senator Irby: He answers no. toy. Representative Latimer: Empbatlcall no. I defy any living man to say I did. Yi do not make tbe direct charge. You a Ink merely insinuating. Mr. Johnstone: I was not there. If I hi Izen been there. I would not have had a quarter urn- a second's hesitation in proving it. en- Representative Latimer: Now prove it. and Mr. Johnstone: Did you not, on your i in J turn from St. Louis, state to several perso > it that you sympathized with and approved ' the Tbird parly movement and its ptatforn are Representative Latimer: I never said su< mtb a thine. fac- Mr. Johnstone: Nor Its platform T ne> Representative Latimer: The Alllan ac- platform, or tDe piatiorm, air rosimasi In General, tbat watt adopted at St. Liouis, was i and moBt identical with the Alliance piatfor tvho adopted at Ocala, Florida. CERTAIN EXPRESSIONS SHOULD BE REGAR o a ED A3 FORMS OF SPEECH. The Postmaster General: I think you hi in<n better Just regard these questions as forms speech and at the close of the speech answ ? ?l them. Mr. Johnstone: Did you not Introduce resolution into the caucus on the evening pi ceding the meeting of the .State Convention Columbia, proposing to cut loose from tl who Democratic party and go into the Third p? ty ? It Das been openly charged In the publ prints, and It has remained undented. ! to Did you not state after your own comic my- don and while Thomas E. Watson as a Thl party man was running against J. C. C. Blat (less as a Democrat and as the Democratic nou nee, that you hoped that Watson would c % to leat Black ? Now, that looks to me, If it w said, as very curious talk for a champion rupt Democracy. Did you not publish a letter stating th >get you held certain principles to be above tl Democratic platform, and stating that yi am WOUJU UOl oe uouuu uy a i;euiuu?uu raut pted when It cauie In contact with these measuri not I rather think that I cau say that he did i that, for I know It; Jt was published over t that signature In the publio prints o: South Cat t to Una. Now, mark you, every bit of this since Mr. Cleveland's nomination?a goi i at- part of It since Mr. Cleveland's election. Una Then I would ask the Postmaster Generi say In pointed and direct terms, that permit i anu flinching, no mental reservations and no e\ o be slons, to ask him the following questlo This Is the question, and I hope you will a swer it, and 1 hope, Mr. Postmaster Generi that you will put it to him us I state it.so th end 11 launot be evaded, it. cannot be answer anti with mental reservations, and it cannot tlD. quibbled with. lost- Doyou bold the Democratic platform ado| t,y J ed at Chicago as superior in Us binding foi let- upon you to the platform or set of priuclpl ieen of unj other parly, organization, or body ? vlth Just think of it! The Democratic parly, irly It Is worthy of existence, is bound In mora ^ to for the good of the American people, toe n |n lorce Us principles In opposition to thepri lem- ciples of other parties, and where it thin; the other partiesare right, to adopt the prlnclpl ary of those other parties that it conceives to e to right and absorb them into its own platfori the I118 bound to enforce, then,as I Bay, Its ov >uth principles for the good of the public. la, r8 0) him If he holds this platform (.uperlor in 1 - iiiiidinif lorce udou him to the platform or s ami- 01 principles ot any other party, organlzath or body. Anil let him auswer It. I adnt . that he has a perfect right to bold the pli j'8 a form principles of any oiner party, organla ev. tlon or body superior to the Democratic pli I011 k form. If lie will, but be has no right, when (eeo does do It, to say that he can still enforce ai roiii protect and administer the trustol the Den: ? j| cratlc party as he could the trust of this otti lave party to which he owes allegiance hlgb they than that to the Democratic party. ents Now put it into practice. Suppose he is u Ibe a man of singleness of heart lo b!a devotion iey to Democracy. Suppose be is not cleao-heartat'" ed in hts preference for Democracy over every other political organization. Are yon not bound to pnt in charge men who will stand by the Democratic organization, and offleer and man it for the purposes of the Democrat- 3g era ic party? And if be in bis conscience believpH that ihere is another and a better or- v , gnnlzatlon or party than the Democratic par- >s '?" ty, would not he he bound lo officer it acoordap" ing to hla best Judgment? Ail that I have said to yon, gentlemen. ! * that your beat Judgment onght to be exercised in this thing, for the benefit of the Democrat- ~ an to party, and not hia beet Judgment for the benefit of something else than the Democrat- j Ign ic party. That la all I have aald, and *111 in- - ' tend to say. Whom do yon wish to pot on -5 ow guard In South Carolina. Men wno will - -j stand bv the Democratic party In preference " j An to anything else. If he holdsahleneralleclance to anything else than tbe Democratic party he will seek to pot on guard men wbo ies- will stand by that other thing, whatever it an- may be, In preference to the Democratic party. That 1b the whole laane in it, and It ean- :.< not by any possibility be evaded. ter Tbe laat question that I shall aak la tbe ier- * entb one. Does be disapproveof and is be In _ opposition to the platform that la adopted at CK Omaha? . 388 Now, no evasions; nothing about it Does % ed he disapprove of, and is be in opposition to A ces tbe platlorm on wblcb Weaver ran in oppoai- . >re tlon to Cleveland, tbe Omaha platform, tbe y Third party platform, and opposed to tbe ry Democratic platform? If he does notdlaap- '3 abl prove of that platform, where stands be? I _ .?< do not care anything for verbal denials. I do ate not mean to make any unpleasant suggestion Vj in that remark. I do not care for private v ,w. judgments. I want tbe facta to be pat before the Jury, and to get the Jnry's Judgment. .1^ That. In IL T am not rtarlnc what ha rails him self. He baa a rlgbt to call blraself anything Ji da- he wishes, to label himself what he pleaseo. to- : ]Q. change his name even; bat I will reeogxuso on It. No matter what name he may change bis $ mt name to, I will still remember it Is A. C. Latlhi8 mer. .' jer Now, I think I have stated this thing. I do ';4 1q. say that these counties that are aboat to have rl people Imported Into tbem for the purpose of ' WD holding offices have the rlgbt to object to It OD and have a right to protection. Wby, Mr. In Postmaster Oeneral, did we not create a revofor latlou in Booth Carolina upon this veiyprln- \ i nd clple? Was not the revolution InSoatn Ontote Una brought about for the purpose of estab1 is llshlng the rlgbt of localities to have their eD own citizens irom the bailiwicks, the dellv- t 4 tv ery, so to speak: the right to choose their own >te officers without importations: and Is not that rv tbe primary principle of the Democrat!* . tv /d faith ? I have not sought to call tbe names la ; be this con/iectlon, for tbe reason tbat tbe belt ot way to conduct a courteous discussion Is to 9Q. leave anything savoring of personalities oat tic of it, ana I have not wanted to dlsoass it. I -:.-j ew have not called anybody's name, and I do say ia. tbat my information Is?and I solemnly be> : in. lleve it to be true, or I would not suggest It , s| Dd here?that Mr. Latimer has been in conference to with men who stated tbat they ooald not go or. Into the Democratic primaries in South Caro- - | be Una because they were Third party men and 3te bad no rlgbt In taose primaries. to I am Indebted to you for yoar ooarteoas nd bearing. I hope I have not made any remark. h?. tbat can be personally offensive to any oae? . p I bavs not sought to do so. I have wanted to ' c tin be plain and emphatlo, candid sad perfectly . W fearless, but I have not wanted to woand*any he ooay '8 sensiomues. mis is a ponucai owm; <1 he Mr. Latimer may have all the virtues which to. I might possibly claim for myself, or anybody o. else claim for himself. This la a political is- . ,.F j lt sue. It Is a question whether men represent- >: ^ Itb lDK the Democratic party, and the Democra- , s al tic party alone, with allegiance to it and hav- ;3s ms lng no allegiance to any otber king, so to i8 speak, or any other organization or country, 3Q. should do It. That lslt; that 1? the whole of he ^t? sae Senator Irby: Will you allow me to ask , i bo him if be did not vote for Mr. Latimer? l6d Mr. Johnstone: Mr. Postmaster General, .] by before the candidates ran Id South Carotin* Hb they signed a written pledge ibat if defeated 'bt lhey would vote for the nominee of tbe parial ty. I ran in tbe primary and I was defeated in by a far less vote than afterward went oat of in the body of the Democracy and voted openly |er tor Weaver. That is a fact Mark the exbe presalon?I was defeated by a far less vote be than afterward?? LATIKEH BEAT JOHNSTON* 900. IPC ar- Senator Irby : How mnch did he beat yon? Mr. Johnstone: That is immaterial. . .^a im Senator Irby : Did be not beat yon a thousitl and votes ? th Mr. Johnstone: I do not think he did. I ral am satisfied be did not. I am satisfied that tl- the reoords of your office will show that he II did not. My recollection is it wax some TOO. w, Representative Latimer: It was-over 900. in- Mr. Johnstone: I cannot be distinct as to re- that. , lot Senator Irby: How many Third party ut votes were there in that district? 1 Mr. Johnstone: It would be an lmpoelblllty for me to say. Bat I Bay I vu defeated by a lees vote than was afterward cast for Weaver by the people who had voted la the Demo- . 'or cratlc primaries. Senator Irby: What do you base yoar calof culallons on? , Mi. Johnstone : I think that is an open sebe cret In South Carolina. I honestly do. I en think it 1b aa open secret, ud Senator Irby: If you know It Is so. you , it- ought to know how ft Is so. On what do you on base your calculatlonB ? in, Mr. Johnstone: I base one calculation ; I ng have uot time for the balauoe. I do not wish as to weary any one. I base one calculatloo on the fact that la one county alone there were 1,100 and some odd votes?1,100 votes In round ly. numbers?cast In the general election, and ou out of them nearly 900 were cast for Weaver. ,re In oue county alone that was the case. Now, as I have stated, I have tried to make ad ibis a political Issue, and I state again that It of U firmly believed by a large number of men that Mr. Latimer has been In sympathy with the Third party movement, or the Weaver re- movement. n? LATIMER TAKES THE FLOOB. OI \ j? Representative Latimer: While it Is on my ch mlna, I want to say that Mr. Weaver was not in that primary election at all. The question was simply between Mr. Johnstone and myce self In the primary, two Democrats. I beat er him nearly a 1,000 votes in that primary. Mr. &1- Weaver's election came on when Mr. Clpvem land ran. The primary was to deolde be- > tween Mr. Johnstone and 'me as to who should be the candidate of the Democratic party. Mr. Weaver was not known in it. He UUJ u *. (ujpvt wu {^0KUjaai?iDi x OOJ ouij^uaMcally thai I bave not reoommenaed a tingle ld man who lived outside of tbe delivery. 01 The Postmaster General: I do not think er we neCd io go into that. a LATIMER INVITED CERTAIN MEN TO MEET HIM. Id be Representative Latimer: He charges that, ir- He says that It has been charged against me, lie and be emphasizes that. He says that I conferred with Third partyites. I called a oona ference In each of the counties to meet these rd men who bad applied to me to recommend sk tbem lor appointment. I bad not met a great il> many of tbem. I went Into these counties ? it- and asked tbem to meet me at the ooanly nf seat, or some other place, so that I might get of acquainted with them and other prominent men in the cou u ties. I went in there and had at tbem state their claims. I got to know them be in that way. I asked the gentlemen as to _;u moil J/iCiOl VUVCO VI Ul CiCI CUUQ U1 IUD ^/DUJJiO ns In tbe localities. I aid not any vote. I aid js. not give out any expression of opinion. If do there were Third party inen la these meetings lis they were not iuvlteil there as Third party o- men. I seat out Invitations to certain men in Ik the county seats who were Democrats, and lntxi vlted them to attend these meetings, and I notified the candidates wno had sent In their il, applications to me, of the time and place of no the meeting. a- Mr. Johnstone: Was not Dr. James A. n. Johns In your conference? n- Representative .Latimer : He was. il, Tiie Postmaster General: The same rule at will-have to apply to you as to interruptions, lid be JOHNS AND OTHER REPUBLICANS IN CONFERENCE WITH LATIMER. )l" Representative Latimer: He was there and ce some other Republicans. There wasa Repubes ijCan there wiio had u post otUce In Pickens county. I told him I could recommend none " but Democrats. He said the people wanted ,8' him : that he COUlll Bret m? ns larva a rial It lftn u* as any Democrat who applied. I replied tbat 1 would not recommend any but Democrats for office. I have not recommended a single es xblrd partylte knowingly, ^'bese men who De voted tbe Third party ticket In the mountalus I do not know. I denounced It on the stomp. Mr.Johnstone: Where? Representative Latimer: In Pickens and iel Oconee county, both. Mr.Jobnstoue: Whereabouts? 111 Representative Latimer: In the court bouse in Oconee. Senator Irby: We do not object to h la askJ" lng as many questions as he pleases. The Postmaster General: I rather do. Q" Representative Latimer: I say to you emlo* phatically that no mortal man can face me ier wllh these things. To prove that be has not ier slated ?verythiug that he then stated, I can call on Capt. Shell to prove that he said that I l?l went to the Omaha convention.