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PARDON FOR DEFORD > per was a surprise to me. I pave Mr. Nichols a seat in front of the dictagraph transmitter of about six feet, 1 took a chair opposite him and his friend, whom he introduced as the county recorder, a Mr. Pagsy sat on the bed. 1 did not care to discuss our deal between Mr. Nichols and myself in the presence of Mr. Pagsy, and accordingly the conversation that took place for about five imnutes was general. General Conversation. "As near as I can recall the conversation was in reference to 'Mr. Nichols leaving Spartanburg on Sat. urday night, lie stated he left Spartanburg Saturday night and came direct to Washington and that he was pretty well intoxicated when he arrived at Washington and did not want to meet any of his friends. lie said he registered at the Continental hotel near the depot. "He stayed around Washington for a couple of days and then went to the Altamont hotel in Haltimoro and had just arrived there and registered and was assigned to his room when I called for him. He said ho was in the bar room at the time. I left my card at the desk at the hotel and he called them down for not looking him up. He said they should have known that the bar was the best place to look for him. I then remarked that I was wondering if he caught that train on Saturday evening at Spartanburg as he only had fourteen minutes after I left him. I *?Tnlfunod that he ran his machine^ at great speed from the Merchants ciuu to the depot and that while we were en route we hit a buggy, that I stopped him, and after being questioned as to who I was, I left the vicinity. "Very shortly after leaving him and his negro chauffer to proceed alone to the depot. 1 walked hack up town with his father. Mr. Nichols remarked that Mr. Pagsy was also justice of the peace or a court justice and that he himself was city attorney, consequently we could not have gotten in trouble for violation of the speed laws. I told him that all I was afraid of was that wo would kill somebody. Wanted Amount Hoduccd. "I then began to discuss our matter in a general way saying t") Mr. Nichols, in regard to that deal of ours 1 have been thinking the matter over and my opinion is that wo should perhaps reduce the amount agreed on, $30,000, to a smaller amount. Mr. Nichols replied that he had been thinking the matter over too and thought that we ought to make possibly some reduction, or at least agree on a different amount. Mr. Pagsy had very little to say and at this juncture Mr. Nichols suggested that perhaps as he and myself had a personal matter to discuss that he would meet 'Mr. Pagsy a iittle later. Mr. Pagsy excused himself and left the room saying that ho would see us down in tho lobby. "I remarked as he went out of the door that we would not ho long and that we would soon be down for lunch. I closed the door and Mr. Nichols and I took the same seats a? wo had occupied before an i started in our conversation which no doubt - - ?- - ' ! ~ ~ V, Thn was recorded Dy me uicm^. aiMi. , ^ confusion of the three of us talking for sfhout .five minutes would no douht prevent the stenographer from being able to distinguish the voices arid record accurately the conversation. No one was present in my room until the conclusion of our interview except Samuel J. N1CI10I3 anu myself. "When we left the room, the stenographer, Mr. Iieik, according co my instructions, was in the hall and saw Mr. Nichols and myself leave room 44 1, saw me lock my dojr and also saw Mr. Nichols and myself proceed to the elevator and proceeded down together. Mr. Nichols and nis friend and myself proceeded to the bar, where we were served drinks and later went into the dining room where he served dinner. "After dinner was served Mr. Nichols insisted that 1 accompany him to Baltimore, that he wanted me to meet Senator Tillman of South Carolina, and also Senator Smith, and a few of his friends. 1 consented to do so and securing a taxicab we wer? driven to the station and boarded a train for Baltimore at 3 o'clock." Preliminary notes: Dictated by Henry N. Porter. The conversation below, between Mr. Vw.t.niy mid Mr. Porter was made in the presence of a friend of Mr. Nichols named Pagsy, county recorder from Spartanburg, S. C. Conversation in Detail. Mr. Porter: 1 will never forget that auto trip as long as 1 live. Mr. Nichols: 1 don't oven remember leaving you. When did I leave you, anyhow, when 1 took that auto lido with you. Mr. Porter: When wo hit that buggy, do you remember that? Mr. Nichols: No. I don't remomber that. i.Vlr. Porter: The people wanted to know what my name was. i told thorn 1 was only a spectator. There was no damage done anything. 1 did not go down to the train with you. Mr. Nichols: Where did wo hP the buggy? Mr. Porter: Aftor wo turned on the main square and passed the monument we met a streat car as we turned down a side street. There were buggies on each side, and how wo managed to get through without striking unv one of them I don't know. We made it all right, however and passed between one of the buggies and the street car. Mr. Nichols: That was the wildest ride! Where did we hit the buggy? Mr. Porter: itight down on the little street as you turn from the square to go down to the station, about the second block down; anyway, that was the place. After we struck the buggy I shut off your power and you slowed down. I left the machine as a crowd was gathering and one of the citizens asked me my name. About this time your father appeared and spoke to you. lie asked what you were doing there; lliat you had told him you were going to Greer. I stepped to one side and allowed your father to talk to you, and a few minutes later I heaiM you tell him that you were going to Baltimore on the J) o'clock train. When I got out of the machine your father was standing on the curb and your driver, Tony, persuaded you to let him drive the car. You had but a few minutes left, and I was not certain whether or not you would be able to make your train. I)o you know how much money you gave me that night? Causes daughter. Mr. Nichols: How much did I? t.Mr. Porter: Fifteen dollars. (Laughter.) Mr. Nichols: Where did you go to? Mr. /Porter: I went on to New York the next day. I wrote a letter to Mr. Sims and gave him the information he wanted, and told him I .would either go on east or go to Chi cago. Then I got busy and went to Chicago. 1 called up Baltimore sev> 1 eral times yesterday to get you. Mr. Nichols: You left the liotel yesterday and hadn't been gone since live minutes before 1 got your call. 1 ou just had gotten away when 1 got ' the call. Mr. Porter: 1 took the next train back to Washington. Mr. Nichols: Some of the boys < brought the card; 1 was down in the < hall when you came there. Then 1 went out and didn't get your tele- i gram. Well, 1 didn't know until this 1 morning when 1 rang you up. Mr. Porter: Did you have a good 1 time last night? 1 Mr. Nichols: Yres the whole bunch i of us?quite a crowd. Mr. Porter: 1 called you up sov- 1 eral times last night. < Mr. Nichols: Yes; the clerk told me you did. < Mr. Porter: 1 was a little anxious ] to get back but 1 wanted to have a j word with you and see you first. 1 1 had some business in New York City 1 and was also anxious to return to < Chicago as soon as possible, and de- ] cided to stop off at Baltimore and ' hunt you up. Mr. Nichols: Do you think that < would be necessary?lor 1110 to go J there? Mr. Porter: I hardly think so. 1 Mr. Nichols: Well we will have < to see. ' < Mr. Porter: 1 suppose we can talk ] matters over here, can't we, all 1 right? You know we have made j some sort of an engagement. Mr. Nichols: Yes 1 remember that. Mr. Porter: I had a talk with this . party, my client. 1 tried to detain , him here to see you, but he decided . that he could not wait any longer, . and left last night for Chicago. .Now, you asked me, if you remember, . about what 1 thought their limit \ would be?do you remember, Mr. Nichols?Told You $10,000. Mr. Nichols: Yee. ( Mr. Porter: And I told you $10,- ] 000. ( Mr. Nichols: Yes. ( LMr. Porter: Now Mr. Sims is a , man 1 didn't figure on. 1 didn't want < to have anyone associated with us in the matter, and i wanted you to t benefit entirely by any dealings we ? might have, though 1 believe it would \ be only fair to treat Mr. Sims as you j think best with him yourself; but I j think you and 1 ought to agree, per- j haps, on a little different basis. ( Mr. Nichols: I rather thought so , myself. ! Mr. Porter: Now, here is what the j prisoner told me in regard to his be- J ing defended. He insisted that he L had no lawyer, nor had he paid any . money, during his trial, for attor- { ney's fees. He told me that he didn't ^ remember that Attorney Sims, or any one else defended him. He said: "1 think from the fact that I got ten ( years is sufficient to say that nobody defended me." (Laughter.) "They \ might as well hare given me life, as j I cannot live for ten years here. I j have had one or two major opera- , tions and am still in very bad shape physically." Mr. Nichols: Sims represents that f class of criminals. 1 know be did i represent a bunch of those yeggmen , there, and it occurred to me that he . was the man. . Mr. Porter: I know what Sims ( was, for instance, and for that reas- , on did not want to take the matter | up with him. I knew there wouldn't be enough for all of us. I can't ex- } plain to some of my clients some of , the reasons why this much money will ,be needed, and I will have to } deal with my people in my own >vu>. They have a general Idea of what would be expected in thin case. I , think I can do fairly well with them. , i didn't make the proposition to the representative who was here. He , wasn't the main man, but I thought j we had better have a little talk first and if we can agree, then all right. } Mr. Nichols: Mr. Pagsy, if you j don't mind, '.Mr. Porter and 1 have a little private matter to discuss, and j couldn't you wait for us down in the ? lobby? ^ .Mr. Pagsy replied that he would be < glad to wait a little while for 113 and left the room. Mr. Porter remarked ] that ho would soon be down for | lunch. Mr. Pagsy remarked as he i stepped out of the door: "1 will be in the lobby, downstairs, waiting for you." All subsequent conversation was ( between Mr. Porter and Mr. Nichols. ' Mr. Nichols: You say you had a 1 wild and wooly ride? ; Mr.'Porter: .'.Mr. Nichols, I have had ' a good many rides, but I never took us wild a trip as that in my life. The ' reason 1 got in with you, 1 didn't ' want you to get hurt. You opened her up wide, 1 had one leg out, this chautler was hanging on behind. Mr. Nichols: Was lie with us? 1 Mr. Porter: Yes; 1 wanted him to drive when we left the club, but you insisted on running the car and ho jumped on behind. You handled the car so nicely last night that I thought possibly wo would get along all right. Mr. Nichols: Wo didn't break up anything, did we? Mr. Porter: No, we didn't; you know what wo did; drank nearly a (jpart of Scotch whiskey. Went to Pieces. Mr. Nichols: 1 know wo did. Mr. Porter: You were all right when we left my room in the hotel Finch, but after we had been at the club for awhile you got to drinking beer you seemed to go all to pieces. You were quite entertaining to the crowd who were thre, and i rather think the hoys rather blamed youn condition on me. 1 was sorry that the old gentleman, your father, saw me when he did. I don't know how he happened to he there. I remember you laughing when you hit those fellows in the buggy. You said: "Never mind those people, we just [grazed them." Mr. Nichols: Now, 1 will tell you bout this man Situs. Sims, of course talked to me about it, and evidently he thinks he ought to be associated with me in this matter, and of course we could use him all right, there is no doubt about that, hut whatever wo do 1 think you and myself ought to get together on it by ourselves. You let me take care of Situs. Mr. Porter: I prefer not to have [any dealings witn mm ana not to know what you do with him. What you and 1 do personally will l>o all right, and your Influence of course, with the governor, will pave the way for us, although I do not think there would ho much trouble. Mr. Nichols: There will not be much trouble, I tell you now, as T told you before, but still 1 want to got my petitions up. We have to justify the giS ernor's actions, we have to fortify ourselves. 1 can get you a petition of 2,000 names among the vo- < ters here who are friends of Governor Blease, and this will help us jus- I tify any action the governor might take. < The governor will also want some < influential people to request him to grant this pardon, and I will take down with me Mr. Landrum, who is < on the governor's staff; the mayor of < the town, Johnson, and Mr. Loyd. Of course; i will see the governor lirst, unci when they see hiui he will agree with them to bometliing that he hab already agreed with me before. Mr. Porter: It is something of course, that is done every day and by using these methods wo probably would not be suspected. Mr. .Nicliois: It is a question of our being paid and not the governor 01 course. That is all there is to it. Mr. Porter: 1 should want to see him get something, 1 do not care how he gets it. L\lr. .Nichols: Of course, whatever we get he will get his part of it, but that is just between you aud me. 1 neau he won't insist. The only thing I can say of course, is that some of the money will be for running his campaign up there. Mr. Porter: Of course ho will understand it. 1 don't expect you to baud it to him, but when 1 am making an agreement with you, Mr. Nichols, 1 wanted to put in an amount suiiicient for two instead of one. You lo whatever you think best. It is not my iirst experience nor yours, aud 1 wanted to see everybody treated nicely, except we want to do it in a nice, clean way. When 1 spoke of $i0,ooo ! didn't hesitate to say that. Because 1 feel that amount can he paid, and 1 [liink you could ligure on at least $f>,0U0 for yourself, and if you wanted Lo use the balance lor campaign purposes for the governor, it would be ;ill right, and that is a pretty fair fee for a proposition like that, is it not? Pretty Fair Foe. Mr. Nichols: That is a pretty fair fee unless the amount involved would warrant more. The question is, is it enough compared to the uiiouut involved? Mr. Porter: It doesn't entirely depend upon the freedom ot this con vict, as to the satisfactory settlement of this estate, but it is desirable nevertheless. Mr. Nichols: if your statement is correct, that this fellow can't get this money unless he is liberated, your jlients could afford to pay a great ieal more. Of course, 1 don't want ?ou to charge them any fee that you :an't justify. Mr. Porter: I simply wanted to date a minimum figure with you, md if 1 can go over that, so much the better, but I don't want to put up a proposition to my people that would nake it look bad for me. My own eputation is at stake. I can hanile these things pretty nicely, but it ,vill make some difference as to how natters are handled. I don't care to mpose upon my clients, so we had better fix the amount at say $10,000 myway, and then if we can get prompt action, 1 will offer a bonus, hat is the governor. You say that rou will have to split your fee with VI r. Sims, and if so he would have to ilso have $5,000 if you were to receive) that amount. Mr. Nichols: Hero is the only rouble about that: i am in such a position that 1 would have to give lim something. He thinks he is as much in it as I am. Mr. Porter: The governor? Mr. Nichols: Yes, now it is unfor:unate that the situation is this way with Sims. I have handled a good many cases, and 1 go ahead and he ilways took mo in a case with him, is a rule, because he has no influence there that is the whole up-shot bf It. He Is smart but he doesn't tfand with them as he ought to stand, jut he is an awfully energetic fellow ind a hard worker, and always what jver I get I Hplit with him. Mr. Porter: That is more than right. Mr. Nichols: That is just the way I feel about it. I feel if I take hold )T the matter at all it should be that way. Mr. Porter: That is what govern?<1 niy particular action, 1 wanted to treat you right. Mr. Nichols: You never could have gotten him out, that is all there is to it without me. I.Mr. Porter: I presume if I had i*ono to Sims with this kind of proportion it would have been all right. Well, you will have no trouble, 1 presume, in explaining to Mr. Sims that we have made a compromise, that we iinve decided on the amount that is the minimum. Of course, you can take care of him yourself. $5,000 for Governor. Mr. Nichols: Yes, 1 can take care )f him. In other words, if I say $10,dou suppose we use nine of it, and I Lell him we would agree to do that ind split the balance of it, he will accept without a word, because he know's it true; he wouldn't question anything I do in the matter, because le knows I will give himasquare deal without it. Hut 1 tell you 1 think this about it: I think if wo can get your man out I think we ought to agree on a minimum fee of $15,000, $5,000 t<t (,o to mo, $5,000 to Hims, and $5,0 00 to the governor. Mr. Porter: To the governor? Mr. Nichols: To other places that we might use it for. Mr. Porter: I think wc had better figure it tiiat way. i uon i wain you to receive less than $5,000, because you have been worth it. Mr. Nichols: I wouldn't take it for less. 'Mr. Porter: I wouldn't ask you to.i Mr. Nichols: I don't think you; would, either. I realize that those people you represent would not realize what will have to he done; that is the reason 1 want to see this other of yours, because 1 can possibly explain to him better than you could. Mr. Porter: Yes, and 1 want you to. Mr. Nichols: I possibly could do so. Mr. Porter: If you could possibly arrange to come to Chicago, I think that ho would fully understand the situation. You know how they feel to an attorney; for instance, I might represent certain things, and they will say this fellow over there is looking for a good fee. and you could explain to them, as you did to me, that it is the only way. Mr. Nichols: In other words, I figure it this way: When 1 explain to them if I had as much at stake as that fellow has got, 1 would kick on their foe. That is the way I foel about it. and 1 think I would convince them of that fact. Of course, we want to know this; we want to know P' this thing went through there wouldn't be any question about getting this fee. Mr. Porter: Xo, indeed; you leave that to me. There will not be a move made until the money is ready. Mr, Nichols: Until the money is put up where we will get it. . . Cave Check for $.%<><). Mr. Porter: Yes. Do you remember my giving you a check for $500. :.Mr. Nichols: Xo, did you give me fi check for that amount? Mr. Porter: Yes; I gave you a cheek for $.r>00. Mr. Nichols: What did I do with it? Mr. Porter: It was on account of expenses. It is on deposit to your account in the Hank of Commerce. Mr. Nichols: Did I get that chock? Mr. Porter: Yes; and indorsed it, called up the cashier Hendricks. He came up and said it was all right. Mr. NicholH: It was the Dank of Commerce? Mr. Porter: Yes. Mr. Nicliols: It Is on deposit there now? Mr. Porter: Yes. (Daughter.) 1 was not sure if you remembered it or not. Mr. Nichols: That is the first time I ever thought of it. Mr. Porter: You don't remebr being very much intoxicated? Mr. Nichols: 1 am this way: I get drunk, and I know pretty much what I am doing the whole time I am under the influence of that liquor; but after 1 get sober 1 do not know a thing about it. 1 don't remember getting on the train at all. Mr. Porter: You didn't ocme right through, did you-?to Baltimore? Mr. Nichols: No, I stopped over at Washington. Mr. Porter: I called up the Ebbett house here. Mr. Nichols: These boys had stopped at the Continental?a very nice little place. Mr. Porter: Well of course, I did not want to look around any. I knew jou would show up sooner or later over there. I1n<I a Dig Time. Mr. Nichols: I had a time there last night. Mr. Porter: You couldn't help it with that crowd. Mr. Nichols: I went to bed with this fellow, and we got to talking politics. He is the editor of the Charleston Courier and was talking against Please. I told him: "This bed isn't big enough for both. You have got to get off here." Do you know that fellow got up and left. Mr. Porter: They had better not talk about Governor Please to you? Mr. Nichols: Not a bit. I told him the bed wasn't big enough for him and me both?he had to get out. So he got out. Mr. Porter: Now, how long will you be in Paltimore, Mr. Nichols?do you know? Mr. Nichols: No; I don't know. The situation is what I told you be fore I loft homo, i do not neiieve me governor will be where I can see him right away. I am iistrncted for Harmon, but might quit him when he has no chance and vote for Wilson. It looks to me like Clark will get the nomination. Mr. Porter: It would be the worst thing that could happen. Mr. Nichols: Yes. Mr. Porter: I am mighty sorry, I would have given all my support to any man except him. Mr. Nichols: I would too. Mr. Porter: Wilson is the moat logical candidate. Mr. Nichols: Yes. Mr. Porter: Now, you would have to soe Governor Please before you see me in Chicago? Mr. Nichols: No. Mr. Porter: You could call on mo n Chicago and then go down and prosent the situation? Mr. Niihols: It is just as i say. The only hook-up in the thing I am afraid of is that Please might not want to take any action before the election. Mr. Porter: Pefore the election? Needs the Money. Mr. Nichols: It is just as I say. how he feels towards me. and I know just what I can do; at least, I think I do. The only thing is that he might think he doesn't want to take any action before the election, out i Knowlie will take action after the election, because he needs the money for the election. 'Mr. Porter:# Surely. Five thousand dollars might elect him. Mr. Nichols: Yes. Please hasn't got it; he has got to get it somewhere. Mr. Porter: That is what I thought. Mr. Nichols, I don't want to take advantage of the governor. I want to treat him right. Mr. Nichols: I don't either; but T know the situation. The other crowd that are runnin against him have all the monev they want. lie hasn't got anything. As I told you, in running that last campaign, the expenses in my county I met myself, and I would do it again if necessary; but still, if lie could get his money it would help him wonderfully in his campaign. I will tell him this: "If this thing is done, and done now, you needn't worry, and I needn't worry." I will say: "I am not going to give you a cent of this, but will make you a promise that so much will be used. So much will he mine and so much will be yours." Wants Prompt Action. Mr. Porter: Ordinarily a man might hesitate, but at the same time we are looking after our own case. I want prompt action; because I have to leave tonight, and 1 might be able to stick on a little uore if he felt inclined to do business quickly. And I don't care whether its Governor Please or anybody else; the more money they have to spend, iht? batter their chances are. He has a big fight on liis hands. Mr. .Nichols: He has a hell of a flgh on his hands. Mr. Porter: And $5,000 or $10,000 will go a long way down there in that country. Mr. Nichols: No doubt of it. Mr. Porter: Or anywhere else. Now up in my country?in Montana ? they have to spend money like water, and I find that in most cases of this kind it is necessary to use money. i ...ill ...li irnn {?> Imnunclinn nf I 1 ?lll n il ????, ... .? v. .... this kind I prefer to have it right between you and 1. i.\lr. Nichols: 1 do too. Mr. Porter: Now, this is a delicate matter and my suggestion would h?3 in presenting the situation to the governor that you should say that this convict has no money to spend, that his health is very bad; that he is serving a sentence now for which he has already served a portion of it; that public sentiment is with the prisoner, and always has been. I do not believe that under the circumstances the governor would hesitate at all in taking pompt action. The prisoner told me that he has had two major operatons there for appendicitis, that his five-year sentence in the federal prison started him off wrong, lis far as his health is concerned. The prisoner need not know that any money is being used in his behalf. Mr. Nichols: No, I wouldn't lof him know that at nil. IMP. Port or: It moans a whole lot to you if the governor is elected will, that standing that you have wiUi him. Mr. Nichols: Of course it does. Is Practice Lucrative? Mr. Porter: It is very fortune to ' that we should have met. What do you find law practice down there; is it lucrative? Mr. Nichols: Well, it is pretty lucrative, Mr. Porter. They have employees there in tho courts. I don't doubt they go over $10,000 a year. Last year, and just between us, we collected about $21,000. Of course, we have two other fellows working for us there; that includes them. Mr. Porter: Now I think we can leave it that way, and we will make the minimum price$ 15,000, and out of that you can get $5,000 and Sims can get $5,000; tlie rest of it can go to the governor. Mr. Nichols: That Is right. 'Mr. Porter: And then on ton of tlint I will try and fix a bonus; so il means $25 more and possibly $5,000 If you will take action right away. Mr. Nichols: I tell you what we will do. 1 would go to Chicago If you think it would do any goi l. Mr. Porter: I wish you could. Mr. Nlcl cis; Wht.i are you going to Chicago? i Mr. Porter: 1 am going to go west right away. If 1 could only make up my mind thct I should stay therN a few days or go to the coast and come hack. If I r'clt sure you could get away, I would make it a point to remain there and meet you Friday ar Saturday of this week. Mr. Nichols: I would wire you, of course. Let me see, Friday or Saturday of this week. Today is Wednesday. M. Porter: Of course, if you can get away sooner, all the better. '.Mr Nichols: Well, I don't know whether I can or not. I think I can though. I don't think I am any good over there. Mr, Porter: If you are supporting Harmon the chances are that you are not. Mr. Nichols: I can carry my delgeation for them. I am not worrying about that, but I don't think with them he lias a chance. Mr. Porter: I don't either. The entire ring is lined up for Clark. It would be the death of the Deniocatic party too, because nobody lias any use for that man. Possiblly I had better wire you when I get to Chicago whether or not it would bo advisable for you to come on. Mr. Nichols: I tell you what you do. You go straight to Chicago and talk it over with the people there that you represent, and if they think it is necessary for me to come, and If """ '"Irn mo tr? orwno I will CO 111 O. If J Wit .? .1 ...V, VW . you don't think it necessary. 1 don't want to come unless I have to. If you could get them to go on that sort of a proposition, that they put $15,000 and in case the trick can be tuned right away, $20,000, abonus of $5,000 for prompt action, there is no question we can get through after election. The only hitch I feel at all is getting him to act before election. If ke knows what it means to him, we can talk him out of it. I will put it square up to him when I get back. Mr. Porter: You tell him it makes a difference of $5,000 to him; you ell him that. Mr. Nichols: I will put that straight up to him. Mr. Porter: Five thousand dollars would do him more good now than at any other time. My word is good; 1 will take care of that end of? it; but if I get away from here I would not want anybody else to handle this but myself. Dangerous Preposition. Mr. Nichols: It is a dangerous proposition, you know. If they ever get the impression that there was anvthine uoing on, it would kill it as dead a# a mackerel. It would simply be a question of their being aide to prove in an indirect way something that they never have been able to prove. .Mr. Porter: I wouldn't bo known in the matter. Mr. Nichols: No. Mr. Porter: 1 want to provide for a way to get in touch with you. Mr. Nichols: 1 will tell you; I will go right down, and 1 think we can turn the whole thing in two weoks. I believe we can do that. Mr. Porter: I charge for my whole time, of course, and it means a whole lot for me of course. You do the best you can with the governor. It isn't going to hurt him any. Mr. Nichols: It is simply a question of a poor fellow who is all in. Mr. Porter: Who is all in? Get some doctor, that Is all. Mr. Nichols: Yes; I understand he will do that.* I can get three doctors to examine him and swear that he will not live two weeks.. Mr. Porter: That is all right now, Mr. Nichols. Mr. Nichols: Thero is one' thing I want to know absolutely. I want to know that this fee will be paid the minute that the goods are delivered. Mr. Porter: The money will be put in the bank in any shape or form you want it. Mr. Porter: Anywhere you say. In Chicago, if necessay, or any bank you say. Mr. Nichols: In other words, I want to have everything arranged so that the minute we get him out the money is paid. Mr. Porter: The very minute the man is out, the cash is right there. If you want an agreement we could have an agreement. 1 would be willing to do that. If you could draw up something that would sort of llx the circumstances, not too broad, would be all right. Mr. Nichols: I don't care a thing In the world about that. The only thing 1 don't want anything it writing. Mr. Porter: I don't either. Our word is good. Wanted Money Heady. Nichols: All I want to know is that the money will .be deposited in ? ??i. ........ i.?..,1 burnt HUbjeci IU my uuuuiv, |;iu?iucu tho money is there. Mr. Porter: You can have it that way, Mr. Nichols. Mr. Nichols: The host place would be for mo to do this: 1 think it will take Home time and the best thing for me to do is to go east and if you need me in Chicago, you wire mo. I ought tc be back hero next week as it is court week. Y'ou couldn't come back sout h, could you? Mr. Porter: Yes, I could do so. I could leave Chicago in the evening at 8 o'clock and get down to your place at eight o'clock the next evening. Mr. Nichols: I think the best way for you to do is to come to Columbia, and if you can get that pardon and let it be turned over to me, and let me wire you to come to Spartanburg, and could you bring the money and pay mo the money there? Mr. Porter: It is a cash proposition; then we wouldn't have to fool " " ' ? * ' - I A ... 1 1 1 with any Dank. mi ri^in, wu win leave it that way. You go down and see the governor and wire me in Chicago. Mr. Nichols: I will wire you in Chicago that everything is o. k. or I will wire you that we can not do it. In other words, if we do fail, hut will not fail, however. If you get a wire that everything is o. k. to come to Spartanburg, you got on the train and come. Mr. Porter: Eveything is o. k. Come to Spartanburg at once. Mr. Nichols: That means that when you get there the pardon will ho thero. Mr. Porter: That will also mean that I will have the cash with me. Mr. Nichols: Cash or check, either one. I don't care. I)o you know, I don't remember ever getting a check from you? Couldn't Remember. Mr. Porter: You can find that an + account. I didn't want to offend you and 1 was afraid you thought perhaps, 1 didn't have the change or something like that. Mr. Nichols: No, it was not that at all. 1 don't know what occurred. Mr. Porter: You said, "If you want mo to come to Chicago, you have to show me; that is all. Want my expenses; my time is valuable." We discussed the proposition whether you could come to Chicago or I should come to New York. I said, "I said 1 will give you a check." I said "What do you want?" and you said, "$f?00," you called the cashier, Mr. Hendricks and handed him the J check. Mr. Nichols: Do you mean the cashier of the club? 'Mr. porter: No, the cashier of the bank. Mr. Nichols: What bank did you give it on? Mr. Porter: The Hank of Comm ere e. Mr. Nichols: In Spartanburg? Mr. Porter: Yes. Mr. Nichols: You did not give a check on the Hank of Commerce. Mr. Porter; 1 did and he called me up afterwards and I said, "I will give you a draft in the morning." He <1 id n't know me from Adam, so I went down and gave him a draft. Mr. Nichols: On the ChicagoHank? Mr. PorterN Yes, hut that Is all right; we will say nothing about that. Mr. Nichols: I can withdraw that check of yours of the Hank of Commerce at Spartanburg. If you want me to. It wouldn't be well for them * to know that any .Money passed between you and I. I wouldn't want them to know anything about this deal. Mr. Porter: 1 don't want them to know that any money passed between you and I. Mr. Nichols: I don't, either. Mr. Porter: You might say this $f?Ort is on deposit. You can withdraw it and say nothing or you can just leave that and I will attend to It. You see, they might got next to aomot hing. Mr. Nichols: Are you positlvo it was the Hank of Commerce? Mr. Porter: Yes. Mr. Nichols: And I called the ' a! 1 .. K casnier up iroiu mr rmu. Mr. Porter: Yea, I juat lot that rest. Mr. Nichols: Wo will leave that like it is. Mr. Porter: When I come down there we will fix that. Don't go near them. Mr. Nichols: Wo will leave that like it is until you come down there. That is the heat way to do. Mr. Porter: Is the convention in session this afternoon? Mr. Nichols: Yes, I lent one of the hoys my ticket over there. i.Mr. Porter: You are not in a great rush to get back then? Mr. Nichols: No, I don't care particularly. Mr. Porter: You haven't had 1 unch, have you? Mr. Nichols: No, I had a late breakfast before I came over. Let's go down to the bar and got a drink. Mr. Porter: All right. (Thereupon, at 1:35 p. in., Mr. Porter and Mr. Nichols loft the room and proceeded down the elevator.) GIVKS UP TAUT AND TKIWY. <J Governor Oshom Hopeats Kndor.semerit of Wilson. Chas. S. Osborn, Republican Governor of Michigan, in a statement issued, expressed the hope that "all good Republicans will refuse to join the malcontents" in the formation of a new party, and says those who are not satisfied with Mr. Taft as a Presidential candidate can get what they desire by voting for Woodrow Wilson. The Governor's statement follows: "I am not inconsistent, in the position that I have taken that Republicans need not bolt their party and i > .. ? Knlilnn {f WOUK1 11(11. UU CUllfiUU'i i;vi ao uv/ituif, r? they voted for Woodrow Wilson. Many of the most p/ominent and influcntial Democrats in the country did not vote for or support Mr. Bryan. "They remained Democrats, nevertheless, and are all supporting Woodiow Wilson now. I do not think a new party erected upon the passions c' any number of men can live. When those who are righteously angry because of the action at Chicago, come t? their senses, they will discover in the Republican party, and not the splendid party itself." "I wish to reassert and to re-emphasize that the issue Is as clear as .a deep-toned bell. One-half the work necessary to create a new party directed to purify the Republican party will produce ten fold bettor results. "I hope all good Republicans will refuso to join the malcontents in a new party. I do not mean by this that temporary measures should not be taken to present tho namo of Theodore Roosevelt and to give people an opportunity to vote for him, but whatever steps aro taken to do this I hope it will be clearly understood that they are temporary. "Personally, I am still of tho opinion that those who are not satisfied with Mr. Taft can tret iust ovnntiv what they desire by voting for Woodrow Wilson." Frenchmen Protest. The French ambassador Jules Jusserand, Thursday presented to Secretary 'MacVeagh at Washington a protest from tho Limoges chamber of commerce against the termination of the agreement between that body and the United States, which for many years has regulated the appaisement of china and pottery importations from the Limoges district of France. Tho treasury department will decide within a few weeks whether tho agreement shall be abrogated on September 1, as had been planned. Seven AVer? Killed. Seven men were reported killed in a labor riot at Galloway's mill, three miles from Deridder, in Calcasieu parish, La., according to a message received Tuesday night by Governor Hall,