The Horry herald. (Conway, S.C.) 1886-1923, April 21, 1910, Image 6
| PARDON COOPER
The Mao Who Assassinated Ex-Senator
Carmack is Set Free by
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PARTI ZANGOVERNOR
Who Signs Pardon Hefore the Ophi
Ion of (he Supreme Court Sustaining
the Verdict of Cuilty iit ilie
Lower Court as Itcad to the lOnd
by the Judges.
A dispatch from Nashville, Toon.,
says a sensation equalling thai which
inflamed in November, 190S, when
former United States Senator Edward
Ward Carmack was shot and
killed on a prominent street in Nashville,
was created by the pardoniug
by Governor M. R. Patterson," Wednesday
of Col. Duncan B. Cooper, <
who, with his son, Robin J. Cooper,
was convicted of the murder of Car- i
mack.
The issuance of the pardon on the
Governor's own initiative without a
formal petition before him, followed 1
quickly the reading of the opinion
of the Tennessee Supreme Court affirming
the verdict of guilty in the
case of Col. Cooper, under sentence
twenty vears in the penitentiary,
and reversing the lower Court in I
the case of Robin Cooper, who way '
sentence to a like period for the
Carmack murder.
Governor Patterson wrote the full
pardon for Col. Cooper and filed it
with the Secretary of State, while '
Chief Justice Beard was yet reading
a dissenting opinion in the case
of Col. Cooper. In a statement given
to thex press almost immediately,
the Governor said: "In my opinion
neither of the defendants is guilty, 11
and they have not had a fair and
impartial trial, but were convicted
contrary to the law and the evidence."
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The news of the Court's action
and that of the Governor in pardoning
Col. Cooper spread quickly over
the city, causing intense excitement I
and heated discussion by numerous
groups of partisans. The conviction
and sentence of Col. Cooper was affirmed
by a divided Court. In an
entirely different line- up of the justices,
the Court split as to the guilt
of Robin Cooper, by a vote of 3 to 2,
the lower Court being reversed and
ho case remanded for a new trial. I
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JThe reversal in the case 01 nuuu..
Cooper is based on assignments of
error in the trial Judge's failure to
charge seperately as to Robin Cooper's
theory of self-defence, linking!
the defence of the two defendants!
together; excluding testimony of
Governor Patterson as to talks with
Robin Coooor, and advice given him 1
as to Col. Cooper before the tragedy;
and the admission on cross examina-I
tion of Robin Cooper as to the intent
of certain State's witnesses in |
testifying as to certain incidents.
Col. Cooper was still at the Cap-11
ital when the pardon was e.ntered in
the Secretary of State's ollice. He 11
was as calm, and even cheerful, I '
through it all, as if he had received
an acquitjtal. The reversal in his I
son's case, seemed to interest and I'
please him 10 the exclusion of his J '
own fate. I I
"I wanted Robin's vindication J '
more than I wanted a pardon," was
his smiling remark, when told of '
the Governor's acton in behalf of 1
himself. Leaving the crowds gath- '
ered about him, he entered a car-11
riage with his daughter, Mrs. Lucius J '
iS. Burch, and his sister-in-law, Mrs.
James C. Bradford, and accompanied 1
by Marshall Robert Marshall, was
driven to the county jail, where formalities
in the collection with the
pardon were gone through with and
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he was released. ne reuu.uu
jail at 2:20 P. IM., leaving there
about 2.30 for the residence of his
daughter, Mrs. Rurch. Robin Cooper
is under a $25,000 bond. His
friends freely predict that he will
not again be arrained for trial.
Should he be, it would be a most
difficult undertaking to secure a jury
In Davidson County under the law's
requirements.
The opinions were read before a
Court room packed to suffocation,
the corridors being crowed with those
unable to gain entrance. Every word
wine listened to with breathless in
terest, and the scene was a memorable
one. It marked an epoch in
not only the legal annals of the
State, but the political as well. The
Democratic party of Tennessee has
been rent into bitter factions over
the prohibition question, and as a
wheel within a wheel, "the Cooper
case" has played a conspicuous part.
Oooper is the close friend and alleged
political adviser of Patterson,
w-ho is the leader of the anti-prohibition
forces in Tennessee. Carmack
was the chief of the prohibition
was the cheif of the prohibition movement.
Patterson was a most important
witnesa for the defence at the
trial of the Coopers for the killing oi
Carmack, was the outcome of political
machininatlon. Now on the verge
of an election of judiciary, the Supreme
Court was called on to pass
finally upon the case over which,
It seems, the party factions have acItually
aligned themselves on one
side or the other. For sixty-nine
KICK ON RING RULE
SOME REPUBLICANS INDULGE IN
PLAIN TALK.
Almut the Corruption Abroad in the
Land and tiie Great Need of a
Change.
(T.h.e annual dinner of tlie Republican
Club of Neida county, N. Y.,
was held Wednesday evening and attended
by 700 men, for the most part
anti-organization men. The speakers
included Charles J. Bonaparte,
former attorney-general of the United
States; William II. Ilotchkiss,
state superintendent of insurance,
and Congressman George W. Norris,
of Nebraska.
Former Assemblyman Merwin K.
Hart, president of the league, in his
introductory remarks, said the people
are as hard to fooi as in Lincoln's
time, and "were not deceived
by the Payne-Aldrich bill, and are
tired of continued disclosures about
politicians for revenue only."
/Mr. Bonaparte's address was an
analysis of the methods of oosses
and rings, a protest against the
methods of both and a plea for returning
political power to the people.
"The mass of our citizens habitually
oome to the polls, not to
choose their rulers, but to record a
preferance between nominees of two
usurping monopolies," he said.
Mr. Bonaparte declared leaders
"have made their trade so dangerous,
odious and noisome t.hat against it |
every force that makes for righteousness
must be directed tomorrow as
it shonH be today."
Superintendent Hotchkiss followed
and after referring to the message
sent to the legislature by Governor
Hughes for an investigation
of legislative practices and proceedure
and also to a recent speech by
the governor voicing the public demand
"for the uncovering of the
secret places of political power and
legislative favor," said:
"Thus within a week have two I
blows been struck at a system?
rather a system with a system?of
which New Yorkers have become
weary. Executives of great states
do not speak thus without ecreme
provocation.
"Through what a period have we
been passing? Until recent years
considerations on the siJ i seem to
have been smiled at by the cynical;
the boasts of some of the3* in bvlroom
taJ:s led toward several cf
the disclocures the in ,ui?y now
closing. Whal an atmospn-re was
was that of tho capital city?said
wifnoRs "this is not a Sunday
VliV^ T? 4 V,
school, this is Albany'?where graft
has been a subject for joking and the
distributors of it honored in song.
"And what shall be said of people
whose action at the polls or in
<*>n\Vntion has made such things
possible? Each decade of late nas
seen the executive grow stronger, the
legislature weaker; each decade the
people have become more satisfied to
trust a man, not merely to execute,
but even at times to make the laws.
The current just now is stronger
than ever before. Impressed by the
corrupt practices of the few, the
plain people are beginning to doubt
the reliability of the legislative
branch. Stories from Mississippi's
contest in lurid vigor with those
from Pittsburg; New Jersey's of late,
?ast in shadow even the daily tales
fit>out New York. Carried to the ultimate,
the present distress of poplar
representation in city council, in
state legislature, yes, even in the
Federal congressmen's, sooner or
later, a practical despotism, a chieftainship
which, while still elective,
has yet all of the dangers against
which the father taught. God forbid
that the government should thus
be weakened.
"And so I take it our governor
was looking far into the future when
lie asked a 'thorough and unsparing
investigation into legislative processes
and procedure.' What the people
want is, however, not so much
a current resolution as a concurrent
revolution, an overturn in methods,
perhaps, rather than in men.
So be it."
days the Court had the case and the
State has been on the tip-toe of
expectancy as opinion days came and
went witout its being referred to.
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an interesting status to those familiar
with the intricacies of tlie politial
situation. Chief Justice Heard and
Justice? McAlistor and Hell reversed
: the case as to Robin Cooper; Jus'
tices Neill and Shields dissenting.
Justices Shields, McAllister and Neil
confirm as to Col. Copper; Chief
Justice Heard and Justice Hell dissenting.
The Supreme Court was more
widely divided than it ever was hefore.
Two of the most elaborate
opinions ever rendered were handed
down, and neither one of them,
strange to say, actually accomplished
result intended by the opinion
itself or the Justice who wrote It.
Justice John K. Shields read an opinion
covering 72 typewritten pages,
affirming the judgments of the Court
below in all things. In this Justice
M. M. Neil concurred.
j KILLED BY CONVICT
eater convict was shot to
death hy officers.
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A Maddened Mob of Two .Thousand
Seized the? Outlaw's Dead liody
and Strung It lTp.
At Mbridan, Miss, former Sheriff
I J. K. Temple was shot and killed
j Wednesday by Tom Q'Neil, a negro
prisjonier. Deputy Jailer Houtwell
was ser\ing breakfast, when he was
nasnnitftfi bv O'Xeil. the latter in the
scuttle securing Boutwell's pistol.
Temple, who was the jailer, went i
to the assistance of his deputy and
was shot and instantly killed with
Boutwell's pistol. O'Neill and another
negro prisoner escaped to the
basement of the jail, carrying the
weapon with them and defied arrest.
Later O'Neil was shot and k'lled
by the officers after he had fired
four shots at them without effect.
O'Neil's companion, George Williams,
a negro, was shot in the leg.
A maddened crowd of nearly 2,000
people took the body of O'Neill,
who was expiring, from the officers,
carried it to a telephone pole about
a block distant, where it was strung
up. After cut, the negro's clothing
saturated with kerosene and set on
fire, but was rescued from the mob
after the clothing had been burned
from the body.
George Williams was placed in a
cell after O'Neil had been killed.
The men insisted on securing him,
but no assault has been made on
the jail.
Judge Buckley, who is holding
court, in an address counselled moderation.
and it is not believed that
further efforts will be made to lynch
Williams, although great excitement
prevails. Mr. Temple was one
of the most prominent citizens in
the county.
THIEI) TO KILJ, MOTHER.
Young White Man Dodged in the
Columbia Jail.
Because he threatened to kill hiB
own widowed mother, young Sadler
Gillesie is in the Columbia jail upon
charges preferred by his uncle. The
case has excited considerable interest
for the family is well connected
and prominent in social circles.
Young Gillespie, a few weeks ago,
flourished a carving knife in his
hand and police officers were called
in to prevent his harming members
of his family. He was not arrested
then on the plea of his mother, but
a repitition of his threats caused his
?* tn tnkp the
uncle, Air. u. m. iu6uo??, ~ .
matter up with the result that the
young man was arrested late Thursday.
Gillespie, who is well known
I around town, is only about 18 years
of f.ge.
WITHOUT ANY WEATOX.
Single-Handed Whipped Fifteen Unwashed
Hoboes.
Seeing a gang of tramps burning
crossties at their camp near Willows,
Cal., Monday afternoon, H. W. Sheridan,
a Southern Pacific superintentent,
stopped his special train to in
vestigate. One of the tramps, who
appeared to be the leader, objected
to the intrusion, whereupon Sheridan
knocked him down. That precipitaed
a free-for-all fight and Sheridan
found himself battling singlehanded
with 15 brawny knights of
the road. Before the train crew
could reach the scene, Sheridan with
kicks and blows had routed the entire
crowd. The leader was knocked
down four times. Sheridan used
to be a brakeman in Utah and Nevada,
where he was a terror to hobos.
BILBO HAS CLOSE CALL.
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Ilis Expulsion from Senate Prevented
by One Vote,
By a margin of one vote short of?
the required two-thirds majority, 28
to 1 r>, the Mississippi Senate, now in
session at Jackson, early Thursday
rejected a resolution to expel State
Senator Theodore Bilbo, who claims
that he accepted a bribe of $645 in
exchange for his promise to change
his vote from former Governor Jas.
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tor TiCroy Percy during the recent
Senatorial contest. The acceptance
of the money, Bilbo explained, was to
secure evidences of irregularity in
connection with tho contest for the
United States Senatorship.
Fahil Blow.
At Darlington Pat Hudson and
Murdock Outlaw, two young white
men, beame involved in a difficulty
Wednesday night, during which Hudson
struck Outlaw on the back of
his head, inflicting what is probably
a fatal wound.
\ ictiniH of Poison.
Mystery surrounds tho death of
two sons of Philip Badali, a wealthy
Italian of Wilklnsburg. Pa., found
dead in bed Thursday, tho victims of
poison.
SOME TIMELY NEWS
HAPPENINGS IN WASHINGTON
THAT WILL BE IiEAJ>
With Intercut by the; General Header
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Who Wants to K<k'p Up With the
Current Events.
Congress lias been a tame affaii
since the complete routing of Speaker
Cannon and bis privileged Rules
Committee, and it is generally predicted
that much work will oc done
in the next six or eight weeks, anil
that adjournment will be taken aoout
the first of June. The President has
outlined much legislation he would
like to see enacted, but owing to
conditions at the Capitol, ne does noi
expect it.
The Government printing cilice,
located in this city, is the largest office
of the kind in the world. Practically
all government publications,
including the Congressional Record,
are printed there, and at present require
a force of nearly 4,500 employees.
This great shop is never
without its details of employers at
work. There are three shifts, of 8
hours each, from 8 a. m. to 1 p rn.,
from 4 to 12 night, and from 12 to
8, making the work continuous, in
fact much of the machinery never
stops, except for repairs. The force
is composed of men skilled in every
detail of the priters trade, and they
come from all parts of the Un'cn.
Resides these employees of the nighest
skill, the machinery is the best
known to the craft. Of all departments
of the Government this im- i
mense workshop is more up to date
4 h ? ? IF nthnr
( II (til ciii.y ntuvi .
The annual fi^lu is on in Coig.esn
respecting the distribution of free
seeds. Every year a large appr >
p nation is made for the purchase
and distribution of seeds, and as
there is much fraud practiced on the
Government in the purchase of
worthless seeds, there are many who
deem it the best policy to discontiue
the work, and if the rural committees
do not stand together
against the city, and the east generally,
this will be done. The Agricultural
Department 's now raising
some of its seeds, and tests those it
purchases and yet when the seeds
are ready for distribution it is found
that the bulk does not correspond
with the Bamples.
Under a recent decision of the
Court of Claims, a large fund is
now being distributed amonv the
Cherokee Indians and their descendants.
This fund was created by an
act of Congress to pay these people
for their land and other property
tnknn from them by the Govern
ment when it compelled them to give
up their lands and move to another
location. There are a large number
of these claimants, scattered al.
over the country, but the greater
number is in Tennessee, the Carolinas,
Missouri and Arkansas. The
distribution is made upon sufficient
proof that the claimant is a descendant
of the Cherokees in a certain
degree.
The Nationa' allll of Fame, as it is
called, is the old House of Representatives
in the Capitol, and is a
spacious semi-circular room, with
marble columns supporting gallieries,
and inlaid floors and highly decorated
ceilings. The use of this hall
for this purpose was declared by an
Act of Congress, and provided that
each State should be entitled to
place statues of two of its citizens
therein, and many of the states have
taken advantage of this law. and
marble or bronze statutes are fast
filling the vacant spaces. Rut one
i? honored bv occupying a
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prominent space, and that, is Francis
E. Willard, the Temperance advocate.
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RLKVEN MEN BUKIEl)
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By Premature Explosion Under Tons
of Hock.
By a premature explosion in the
stone quarries of the Nazareth Portland
Cement Company at Eastern,
Pa., Thursday eleven men wore buried
under Ave thousand tons of rock
and killed. The victims are Hungarians
and Italians. The quarry
force was preparing to set off a
blast in four holes and had filled
the holes with hundreds of po..nds
of dynamite. When the charges exploded
men were scattered iu all
j directions. The entire side of the
mountain of rock was torn loose.
Arrested for Murder.
Mary Washington, of Savannah,
Oa., a negress, who was struck by
the automobile of Alfred Marshall,
a well known Savannah man, died
Monday. Her husband, who was
struck at the same time, died last
week. Marshall Tuesday was arrested
the second time charged with
! murder. Ho was released on bond.
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Knocked Judge Down.
Wot words used by Chief J. T.
Jensen of the Atlanta city sanitary
department in objecting to a derision
rendered by Judge Nash Itroyles in
poiieo court precipitated a fist tight
between the two otlloials. In melee
( both exchanged blows and Hroyles
i fell to the floor. On resuming the
j bench he ordered the sanitary chief
eseorted from the room by police4
FEED AND SEED
INSPECTION LAW GOES INTO EFFECT
MAY FIKST.
Oh Thut Day Important Measures
Passed at Last Session of Legislature
Will Heeome Eft'ective.
A special dispatch from Columbia
to The News and Courier says one
million eight hundred thousand
stamps have been ordered by the department
of agriculture, commerce
and industries for the enforcement
of the Feed Inspection Act, which
goes into effect on May 1.
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i nt; slumps win suuvv lih? nuinuci
of pounds and the amount of 111 on y
represented by them. For the various
weights of feed stuffs the stamp
will rus as follows:
100 pounds, 1 1-4 cents; 7f> pounds
9 3-8 mills; 50 pounds, G 1-4 mills;
25 pounds, 3 1-8 mills; 10 pounds,
1 1-4 mills; 5 pounds, 5-8 mill. The
stamp will bear the fac simile signature
of the commissioners.
The feed inspection blanks will
soon be ready to be sent out to concerns
interested. The rules and regulations
and standards as required
1 " 4 ...111 nxrnlnnrl KlI fnm
U y II1C itCl Will uc ai i aiu^u %j j w
missioner Watson.
John F. Courcier, of Toledo, Ohio,
secretary of the National Grain Dealers'
Association, was in Columbia in
conference with Commissioner Watsos.
Mr. Courcier will also visit the
grain dealers in Charleston, Columbia
and other parts of the State, asking
them to become members of the
Association. The object of the Association
is to aid in the honest enforcement
of the laws for honest
houses.
Mr. Courcier was discussing with
Col. Watson the matter of making
the standards in this State uniform,
as fixed by the National Grain Dealers'
Association. This standard has
been accepted by the United States
and by the several States now having
feed inspection laws.
In Georgia, Tennessee and other
States the standards fixed a year ago
are in force now, but there have
been some amendments since that
time. The new regulations will be
adopted by the State of South Carolina,
as these new standards have
been adopted by the United States
Government.
All the forms, blanks, etc., for the
Seed Inspection Act are now in the
hands of the publishers, and will
soon be issued. The charge for analysis
of samples under this Act is 25
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L'tJIi LS. r I Ul . A J Cl IM y Vi >_? m m r
already arranging at the experiment
station to prepare for the examisation
of samples of seeds.
By special request some examinatios
h?ve already been made. This
act will go into effect May 1. Violations
will be punished and inspections
will be made in the open market.
In conection with the pure food
and drug law the State health department
is to cooperate in giving
directions to inspectors of seeds.
These instructions will be carried out
by the agents.
This is a good law, and will save
farmers from being imposed on by
dishonest dealers in so<-u, \%nu (u <r.
willing to palm off faulty seeds. *
SEEKS WHITE FIEND.
From Alabama Who Is Wanted for
Assaulting a fiirl.
Constable W. J. McAdams, of Millport,
Ala., and a posse of citizens of
that town, were in Columbus searching
for Alfred Harnett, wanted for an
alleged assault on the little 7-yearold
daughter of E. 0. Dotson, a
prosperous planter living near Millport.
The assault took place in a
barn on the Dotson plantation while
Dotson was absent from home. Harnett,
who is about .13 years old, has
a wife and two children, lie formerly
lived in Columbus and is believed
to have gone there.
Tripped a Burglar.
At Fort Wayne, Ind., her two little
girls and a masked burglar, tumbling
down the stairway together,
bowled over Mrs. O. II. Baird, who
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was standing at trie root ?i me mnim
holding a lamp late Monday night.
The burglar dashed frantically back
upstairs, leaped through a rear window
and fled, empty handed. The
children, going up to bed, had come
into collision with burglar and tripped
him in their wild effort to retreat.
One Dead, Five Hurt.
E. C. Travis, an automobile demonstrator,
was killed and his wife
and four of his children were seveiely
injured when the automobile in
which they were riding Monday night
was struck by a Southern Pacific
train at a street crossing at Santa
Ana, Cal.
Should be Impeached.
"Rev. J. Tnnian Townsley, pastor of
the Second Methodist Episcopal J
church, South, in New Orleans, declared,
during the Course of a aer- (
mon there Sunday night, that Governor
Patterson, of Tennessee, should ,
he impeached for pardoning Col. D.
It. Cooper, convicted of manslaughter
in the killing of former United
State Senator Carmack.
DIED INTRAP
Six Firemen Burned to Death Fighting ^
Fire in the County Jail.
OTHERS BADLY BURNED
Explosion of a Gasoline Tank Causes
a Hack Draft and Slams Behind
the Brave Fire Fighters a Big Iron
Door Leaving Them at the Mercy
of the Flrmes,
Trapped by metal doors and barred
windows, six firemen were caught
by a back draft and burned to death
during the partial destruction of the
New Haven, Conn., county jail Thursday.
Three of their comrades were
saved through the heroism of other
firemen. The bodies of tho six men ^
were found late Friday after the ^
debris cooled. Many other firemen
were fearfully burned but remained
at work.
Six men from truck No. 1 were
fighting their way through the cell
room of the jail into the workshop,
when an explosion of a gasoline tank
caused a back draft and slamed behind
them the iron doors seperating
the two buildings.
Three of the men were hemmed
in a corner and burned to death while
the other three made their wnv to a
barred window to which they ciimg
with streams of water playing on
them from the outside. Soon after
reaching the window the roof fell
it and ladders were put up from the
outside and down the inside and the
men taken out. The other dead
firemen were caught in the same
back draft as they were working at
the other end of the building and
were carried down by the roof when
it felj.
The fire was discovered by a prisoner
and the 175 men in the workshop
were sent to their cells. When
it was seen that there was danger
of the fire spreading to the main
building the 246 male and 42 female
inmates were taken to the police
stations and the foot guard armory.
The next night the prisoners
were returned to the Jail.
The buildings destroyed were the
two workshops and several adjoining
sheds and two dwelling houses.
The fire is thought to have been
caused by crossed electric wires. The
loss of the New England Chair company
for whom the prisoners do contract
work, is estimated at $135,000,
fully Insured and the loss on
the buildings of the jail Is $35,000
with full insurance.
Al'TOISTN COME TO CHIEF.
Machine Turns Turtle Xear GaflTney
and Injures Four.
While F. H. Knox, of Spartanburg,
superintendent of (be street railway
company; President Smith, of tho
Merchants and Planters Bank; I)r.
C. A. JefTeries and W. F. Smith, of
Gaffney, were on their way t.) Got?ton
Shoals, in Mr. W. F. Smith's
car, the machine went into a ditch,
a mile from Gaffney, and turned turtle,
which resulted in painful, though
not serious, injuries to all the occupants.
Mr. Knox received the most
painful injury of any of the party,
his shoulder and wrist being badly
sprained.
HIT COMING AND GOING. A
Tossed by Engine Against Another
Going Different Way.
A peculiar accident Wednesday,
during which Frank Collins, 32 years
old, was converted literally into a
human shuttlecock, probably will
cost him his life. Collins was walking
along the Louisville & Nashville
tracks in Louisville, Ky., when ho
was struck by a southbound freight
train and tossed against the pilot
of a northbound engine, which hurl- J
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Ho was picked up unconscious and
taken to a hospital, where Friday
morning it was said lie could not
live.
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SAVKI) WOMAN FKOM SUICIDE.
Engineer on Train Sees Her With
Stone About Waist. |
C. L. Carey, an engineer on a
switch engine of the Kansas City
Southern railway, saved Mrs. Daisy
Mason, of Kansas City, Kansas, from
suicide early Tnursaay. as uarey a
engine was passing a barge at the
foot of Delaware street he looked
out of the cab window and saw a
woman standing on the bar&e with
a stone tied about her waist. Carey
stopped his engine, sprang from the
cab and ran to the woman, seizing
her just as she was about to leap
into the Missouri river.
Race llor?cs Killed.
/Durlsg the severe storm at Louisville,
Ky., Saturday lightning struck
two barna at Churchhlll Downs race
course instantly killing George J.
Long's two yonr old Denies and four
year old, Solitie, Frank Repess and
Nerbit, two years old.