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GB1FFIN TESTIFIES
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Q. May I aak him, than, whara ho of tho
at waa In thoro aad garo modt
order. Now that ia my tm-
his time while at the Imwhl plessloB. y ^ Wl
pitalf A. Well, I spend part jad the] a. Yes. A. If I am mlstakeo-^—
time in the building aad part of the] Q. Are yon sare It was bought
time in the office. . through an agent? A. Yeei J I mm
Q. May I aak bow load you spend tainly remember It I know 1 did
in tho office? A. That time varies, {because I had the agoaito take my
Q. What are you doing while you mechaaieal etage, the thing
attending to slides the wall over the aperture, and
•Following is the official steno-
graphic report of ihe cross-examina
tion Friday of H. H. Griffin, M. D.,
by Eleanora a fiaunders, M. D., the
young woman physician—both being
members of the medical staff of the
State' Hospital for the Insane
Dr. Saunders: You never had any
disagreement with any of the nurses?
Dr. Griffin: When you ask me
that question, they ask me, as I un
derstand It, among the several
ty. And you feel that you have al
ways been agreeable to everybody?
A. Never had—-I failed to mention a
while ago that little incident in re
gard to Miss Hertsel.
Q. You never had any dispute with
any other nurses? A. I do not re
call.
Q. Nor with any stenographer? A.
Not particularly.
Jr. “Disagreeable."
Q. Then you feel that I am the
only one that has been In the least
disagreeable to you? A. Well,-yes
ma’am, I think I felt that way.
Q. Yqu never had any hard feel
ings toward Miss Allen? A. You
mean Miss Allen, the stenographer?
Q. Yes. A, Well, I did think at
one time that she stirred up a little
strife there.
Q. How long did it last? A. How
long did what last?
Q. That disturbance with her. A.
As' far as I know, our relations were
very pleasant when she left there.
Q. Yes. You always gave her dic
tation, though? A. No, I gave the
other stenographer dictation some
times. '
Q. How long did you discontinue
giving her dictation? A. I think I
gave her dictation a day or two be
fore she left there.
Q. Well, was there any time when
you avoided her and gave the other
girl dictation irr preference? A. I
think that I did for a few days.
Q. For a few days? A. I might
have been for a week or so.
“Professional Courtesy."
Q. You tblnk..th* hospital work Is
made up of professional courtesy?
A. I thtnk It ought to exist.
Q. It-ought to exist, but It is not
the main work? A. W’ell, no, I think
a great deal hy>re can be accomplish
ed if there is litilty, peace and con
cord in the family. \ -
Q. Ho\y many hours q day do you
come to the hospital? Varying
from an hour and one-half, possibly
some day I wasn’t there more t^kn
an hour, and again I have been there
three. It depended on when I got
there. There was no specific time.
Q. Then, when you leave the hos
pital,, jou. turn your patients over to
somebody, whether in the ward or
not? A. Of course, necessarily some-
, body woujd assume charge.
Q. When things were going along
well, who was suppbsei *o relieve
you in your absence, in the 24 hours,
other than these three? A. I con
sidered that Dr. Thompson relieved
me. . -, - , •
The Other 21-Hours.
Q. And when he was away who re
lieved you of the other 21 hours of
the day? A. Probably you, if you
were there and you were the only
other one there. -
Q. Well, have you ever known pr.
Thompson and I to be away at the
same time? A. If I mistake not, you
were both sick at the same time.
Q. Did you ever make rounds in
my department? A. Yes, ma'am.
Q. Will you tell me when? A. I
made rounds on your department one
morning, and I think Ml«> Irwin will
toll 'jou so.
Q. Nurse? A. Yhs, ma’am
Q. In how many years? A. It ia
tha first time since I have been there.
I waa called upon to do so. You
were absent My recollection is that
Dr. Thompson was absent.
Q. Yott feel that you are well paid
for your from one to three hours a
day work? A. Well, now, that has
got nothing to do with this.
Q. Have I ever refused to do your
dnty white you were away, in your
absence? A. Not that I know of.
“Not a Great Deal.-"
Q. When you are on duty, how
does our work conflict? A, Not a
great deal.
Q. How many hours dir yon
you spent In the hospital a day?
Now, yon have asked ago that q
are there? i
my duties'aa I
Dr.
Q. Well, will you tell me, tor the
good of these who do not know, what
are each day’s daily duties? A. For
myself? ^
. Q. Yee. A. 1 am expected to took
Over commitment papers for any pa
tient that has been added in the 24
hours previous. I am expected to
answer correspondence, and vary fre
quently friends or relatives of the
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family or patients to be dismissed
come up, and those to be sent home
on furloughs and various other little
things of this sort.
The Chairman: It ie-done at the
enneral nffina?
Dr. Griffins iTiTat the general
office; yee, sir. -
Dr. Saunders: How long doee it
take yon to make your ward rounds?
A. I do not know. That varies; de
pends on how many.
Q. Give a general average. A. I
could not undertake to say.
Q. Then your stay in the general
office is not long, after all? A. It Is
not very long. I should say a half an
he took It at the same time back to
Philadelphia to ba, fixed.
Q. May I aak, do you know what
company the apparatus was broaght
from? A. I think It was bought
from Thomas, Arthur or R. Thomas.
That is my Impression^
Negro Male Departmqpt.
Q. When we were making ward
Improvements, did you object to your
ward being improved? , Al No,
ma’am. And I grafat~yeu that' the
conditions tIu the colored male de
partment were not as I would liked
for them to hate been. I am sure,
that I appealed to the superintendent
to have this old man. Perry Stevens,
removed. I thought be was decrepit
and altogether incapable. Now I have
thought all of the time that It would
be best-to have men down In that de
partment, In that dining room, capa
ble men, younger men than we had.
I do not know what the resnlt would
be of having some of those men who
are quite vicious coming in contact
with women down there.
Q. Well, the plan has worked out
very well? A. Yes, I do not say that
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hour, sometimes an hour, sometimes' there has been any great mistake,
longer; it depends on the condition. U,till feel and think, though, that
Sometimes I have a bunch of letters Would rather have a man down there
and again 1 may not have more than,
two or three.
Q. Am I always in the office when
you are there? A. Well, you gen
erally are, I think, part of the time
you, are.
Q. How many stenographers
there?, A. There are two. i
Q Now, da you recall me ever
telling a stenographer not to take
your dictation? A. I certainly do.
Q. Which one? ' A. Well, if it is
necessary I can tell her.
The Chairman: What Is the ques
tion she asks?
Dr. Griffin: She wants we to tell
the name of the stenographer I refer
to. I would rather not bring this
lady’s name into it.
The Chairman: It it is just a
question as to stenographer’s service
there—*—
Dr. GrnHn: May I tell her quietly
and if she insists on It being made a
part of your records then all right?
The Chairman: You might tell
her, and If she wants It to go into the
record it is a matter of cross-exgmi-
nation, you know.
Dr. Griffin: Well, she is hot there
at,present. She has been away from
'there 1 'for some while. You know
who I mean.
Dr. Saunders: You are sure of
that fact, then?
Dr. Griffin: Well, she assured me
of it, I spoke to her day before yes
terday and asked her did she remem
ber that Incident. That Is Ihe way
she remembered it, that is the way I
understood her to say. , ,
The Chairman: I will state here
that if that is a matter of contradic
tion you will have to lay the proper
foundation by identifying the stenbg-
rapher in question so the stenogra
pher can testify. I am saying that
as a matter <if information.
Dr. Griffin: I spoke to this lady
day before yesterday and asked her
if she remembered that Incident and
is the wajr she remembered it.
Between Individuals.
Thd Chairman:: The <*bject here Is
to get at the main facts. So far as
Involving a little controversy between
individuals, the committee is hot so
much interested in that. We want
to get at the salient facts which
make up he crux of the situation out
there.
Dr. Saunders: Yon do receive
food from the diet kitchen?
Dr. Griffin: Yes, ma’am, I do new.
Q. How long? A. I think that has
been done tor some little—I know
within the last year or so. I remem
ber your giving me a little list. Don’t
you recall that? I do not know
whether yon did that' personally or
sent It to me as a list of things that
could be gotten?
Q. Do yon remember In relieving
Dr. Thompson you were asked to
leave a list of patients you did not
want to receive visitors? A. I do
not recall that.
Q. Yon do nOt deny It’s being
done? A. Ask that question again.
Q. Do you remember being asked
to leave a list of people whom you
objected to having visitors? A. No,
ma’am, I do not. I remember mak
ing a request verbally, though that
this patient not again be allowed to
receive visitors. I could go on and
give you my reason, but those things
had best not be spoken of here.
Q. You say, you were doing bac
teriological work at one 'time?. A.
Yee/ jpa’am, the beet 1 could with
practically nothing to do It with,
t you remember my going over
department?
Q. Yon always did what waa ahk-
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Maks a Dedov and Rejoin
end Troops Now Opposed to Villo
—Travelled in Autos.
Sharp-eyed United States troopers
searched through stunted brush along
the sandy plains stretching back from
the Rio Grande Thursday for the
Mexicans who started on an automo
bile expedition from American side
of the border Wednesday night with
the probable purpose of Joining Fed
eral forces south of the border or
harassing the rebel garrison a£ Jua-
rei.
The alarm reached Gen. Scott, in
command at Fort Bliss about 10
o’clock Thi|rjday night. Ranchers
along the road near Ysleta telephon
ed into the dt; r to find out the cause
for the appearance of an unusual
number of automobiles tome of which
were covered yrlth canvas and appar
ently carried boxes.
Counts of the number of these var
ied from 10 to 50, but Inquiry at
Ysleta, Texas,’Indicated that there
were more than a hundred. Mrs
Mary O’Neil, telephone operator at
Ysleta, saw six of them, seemingly
laden with boxes under their canvas
covers, turned toward the river. They
were without lights and she. thought
that the machines disappeared In
some of the numerous corrals in
Ysleta and were there unloaded.
The only soldier so far to have
seen any of the alleged Huerta re
cruits was Corporal Kauffman of
troop A, 15th cavalry. He was sta
tioned at a village each of Ysleta and
when the alarm sounded he was dis
patched to Ysleta to guide other
troops hurrying to that point. He
arrived ahead of the reinforcements
and lay In a ditch from which he
says he saw the detachments of about
i" men each make a rush toward the
river. 1
All night the Americans searched
along the Rio Grande but did not
catch sight of their quarry. To all
appearances they had escaped. Ac
cording to Mrs. O’Neil strange Mexi
cans had been collecting, since Tues
day. They came in small groups and
were reticent about their business.
Refugees arejiot uncommon in this
might have adjusted it without goinghiart of the country, but the number
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nursas at tha* SUM Hospital tor the
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of' tha rtsMta
tha Mcttaa whi
hava tafia* mm
because I can have better control of
them. It is in my Judgment neces
sarily—
Q. Did you ask to have that
change tpade? A. No, ma’am.
Q. Will you tell me when I have
be^| on your wards? A. I heard
you say the other, day, and I also
heard that you had visited -there one
time, in the wards. You would go
down in the dining room of that de
partment every day oir two. I have
seen you down there several times.
Q. Bid you object to my being
down there? A. I would rather—I
felt that when you made visits down
there you had assumed charge of it
and I was in a way brushed aside;
yes, ma’am.
Didn’t Report Incident.
Q. Did you object to the superin
tendent? A. To the superintendent
doing so? —
1 Q. Did you object to him, did you
make complaint to him that I had
been down there? A. No.
Q. When you felt that I had treat
ed you rather unfairly about the
diet dinner sent to a sick male nursfe,
did you ask me not to do so again or
did you merftion It to me at all? A.
I do not^ think I did.
Q. Well, don’t you think that
Oh, veil. I am sorry that 11
pentad it. May l ask you how you
th e boa- 1
that
to Dr. Babcock? A. Well, Dr. Saun
ders, your attitude had not been
friendly ,to me and I knew that yooi,
would not receive me in the right
spirit. Now, that Is the reason why
I thought the .right thing under the
circumstances wasrlor me to go to
the superintendent, that Is why I dfd.
Q. You remember when that hap
pened? A. I do not remember the
year. I remember that it was dur-
Ing one of D Thompson’s Illnesses
or either Dr. Thompson was ill or be
was unusual.
General Francisco Villa, command
ing 1 the rebel forces, received an In
timation of the situation at Ysleta
and sent small detachments east
along .the Mexican bank of the river
to capture 10 men, but six of these
proved to be harmless peons and the
other foqr were held for further In
vestigation. Villa during the night
sent out reinforcements abid es they
are mounted he said Thursday that
they should not hav«j great .difficulty
month vacation every
not know Just when it
was off on his vacation. You snow eatemug up wua me aiMiuguutea re
cruits.
\ General Villa said he hoped that
the recruits'got across the river for If
the Americans captured them they
would only* be imprisoned while he
could shoot them. ^ Tbe movements
of the automobiles constitute one of
of the mysteries of the night. Every
road into El Paso was watched after
the alarm but no prisoners were tak
en, although several persons insisted
that there were many machines and
that most of them carried armed
men. There is direct evidence of
only those seen by Mrs. O’Neil.
In tho adobe hut which formed
part of the corral at Ysleta, American
troops found a large stock of saddles
which appeared nearly new. To one
of the saddles was attached a box fall
of fuses. These subbested that the
he takes a
year. I do
was. . f.'tMv
Q. Is It my custom to glve^con-
Jrary orders to your nurses? A. No,
I have hever heard of your doing it.
Differences Personal.
Q. And you will agree with me
that when you leave the hospital you
leave It in charge of somebody? A.
Yes. I know that Dr. Thompson calls
me up nearly every day in regard to
some little matter in regard to my
department.
' Q. So you feel that all of our dif
ferences have been personal? A.Yes.
I feet that they have been differences
and that some of them were misun
derstandings, and I think that if we
both could have gotten together we
probably* could have adjusted them
Q. Did I ever report yon for them?
A. I have heard that you went to Dr.
Babcock several times.
Q. You have heard, but please say,
do you know that I, have ever report
ed you? A. Well, I could not say. ']
conld not answer positively yes or no
Q. Then, after all, the differences
were probably as blamable to you as
to me? A. I do not know how jtou
feel about It.
Q. Don’t you think that If we were
not willing to live undef the condi
tions at that time that one of ns
ought to have resigned? Would that
have been fair? • A. I think that
would have b’een a good solution of It.
^ Great Things.”
Q. 8»ouF differences after all have
been personal? A. There have been
no great thing*, no ma-ani.
Q. So onr wards are separated, so
that we come ia conflict very little?
A. There should have been no con
flict at alL 'V
Q. It has been but lltUet A. Not
required? A. A* far as I * great deal. But
at it was within my
Well.if I asked the stenographer to
take my letters and you tell her not
to do it, it Would have Interfered
with me*.
Q. You are sure that that oc
curred? A. That is what she said
She told me that.
Once la Nlne Y*
Q. How aften did tbit bappea?
A That happened only once in nine 1
years, most ten. J-.
Q. The differences hare been per
sonal? A. Doctor, there has never
been any great thing, bat enough to
make It disagreeable and unpleasant.
Q. And after all, ypu have carried
on your ward work as you like it and
I have carried op my ward work as
I like It? A. 7es. Now, Dr. Sana
ders, I will say this, If you bid not
been, is I said, unpleasant and a lit
tle discourteous to me aad if yea bad railroad noutb
to publish tha following, so that tha had Dr.
people of Sooth Carolina might know
Just how they foel toward Dr. fisun-
d^rs. --- —^
(Signed) Margaret DTBarnea, Jessie
P. Kleckley, Margaret Vera Parnell,
Rebecca Sharp, Lena Pound, Car
rie E. Watson, Nat# Carter, Oliva
Bnfboe, Mattie Simpeon, Cora Work
man, Fannie Parrott, Margaris Par
rott, Myrtle McLaae, Carrie Book
man, Lizsie Watson, Annie Fergu
son,’ Alma Doubloy, Elva Young
blood. Ella Price Edith Easley, W.
R. Steele, M. B. Stack, Annie Head,
Mend Queen, Rath Love, Emma
Blakely, NeaUe Barefoot, Cora Lee
Cornell, Natalie Bailey, Marie Long,
Ella Roof, Inez Hogue, Eva Idelle
Gauze, Carrie Belle Strickten, Kate
Hope, Emily Rabon, Beeaie Smith,
Virginia Bickley, Ernestine Fuller,
Emily Driggers, Lizsie Taylor, Ber
tha Hayes, Raohel Abell, Cora
Smith, Addle Love, Mamie Duncap,
Mary Levin, Hassle Graham, Mamie
A. Corley, Kate Tidwell, Marian
Smith, Rosa Lee WeimOrts.
Columbia, February 13.
Statement of Nurses.
What the nurses of. the Spite hos
pital have to say about Dr. Saunders:
We are a sad ghd gloomy body of
nurses today at the State hospital.
The shadow of an impending sorrow
and wrong has crept into onr mist,
and we go to work with little seat and
dark forebodings.
We have been strongly optimistic
up to the present time, belivlng that
the good men of our State would
ability and noble womanhood would
stand by tha right and that truth,
be recognised and strenuously upheld
against unjust accnsera and misun
derstandings. i
We feel that we, who come in dally
contact with Dr. Saunders and know
every phase of her life here, from the
Joyful and hearty entering Into our
pleasures and pastimes as friend,
companion, teacher, down to (he sol
emn and strenuous duties of extreme
illness and suffering, have a deeper
Insight Into the heart and mind of the
woman than those who have only a
slight acquaintance, or even a per
fect acquaintance with her outside of
her work. Tls in a woman’s lif®-
work that her true character and reaj
worth are seen* and felt to .best ad
vantage, .
With one accord the nurses of the
State hospital wish to say to the pub
lic that wq consider Dr. Saunders the
soul of our undertakings here... With
out her our inspiration would be
gone. She holds np to us, in her own
life, in every step she takes here, aa
example of what a woman «aa accom
plish for the good of her State, fof
her work here among these patients
and nurses extends Into homes in
every corner of this State of oars.
Her Influence Is far-reaching, and
there is nothing but good In that in
fluence. We know that she has done
nothing wrong and are sorely grieved
that she should be misjudged.
Most; of us are young girls who de
sire to hold to the belief in the chiv
alry of our Southern men, as onr
mothers did before ns, when it comes
to the question of wronging a noble,
pure-hearted, true-hearted woman, In
her profession or in any other way,
and we sincerely hope that the men
who aro ruling this State will prove
themselves to be the gallant men that
their fathers and grandfathers were
before them in such points of honor,
that they will right about face and
give the decision that la the only Jost
and honorable one, not to raise a fin
ger against the work ot Dr. Saunders
In this institution. -F
Dr. Saunders is in wvery sense of
the word a gentlewoman. Her quick
and tender sympathy for her patients
is discernible to all who come in eon-
tact with her here. She la tha same
woman always, no matter what her
own sorrows and grlevanees may be.
dispensing cheerfulness and pleasant,
kindly Interest to every one with
whom she comes in contact each day.
We, tho nnraea of this institution,
as a body, appeal to the men of this
State, who are sitting in Judgment on
onr worthy friend, not to remove her
from, onr midst
allowed to
teat during
to hhva A
things unpleasant for
not gone beyond your bounds ia go
ing over to another department yon
weald not have a better friend than
BiyfstTp ttiQ tners woum mto
no friction. Understand, t fit
recruits, if. such they really were,
had In miliid the destruction of tha
delay tho
Ehe destruction of 1
of Juntos in order
of
ponding MMph
of the regents In Decembop
Bleaoe was proseat with , his
Secretary, CoV John K. Aul.,
is a stenographer, and Mrs. Pstaia
Sanders was present also mm
rapher, according to the
nation of Dr. W. L. Settlamsytr, fin*
of the regents, Thursday
by Dr, Saunders.
This was the esadtlag at ’
plaints of certain members of
medical staff against Dr,
were taken by tha regents, aad her
father, Mr. O. L. Saunders, was not
allowed to ba preheat, it $£§1
testified to, and resolutions _____
ing her tor interference were passed
by tho regents. Dr. Bettlemeyer wont
on tho hoard of regents last April,
succeeding Mr. Fred H. Dominick,
and ho stated that ia aelacttttf VH*
sons for tha vacancies filled by tha
board Jnly 1, ha voted for fhoaa bo
thought beet fitted tor tbe portions,
and that thert was no previous uqder-
ztanffing among shy of the regents as
to who were to be elected.
, Corroborating the testimony Of
Chairman CaronthCrs, Dr. SetUenteyr
er was of the opinion that the trou
ble at the asylum came from the frio-
tlon between members of tho medical
staff and ths complaint by certain
subordinates'that Dr. ffanndsrs waa
infringing on thsir duties and rights.
He spoke highly of the work aad ef
ficiency of Dr. Bounders and stated*
that he had inspected bar work, that
of the white women, only twice and
fonnd everything in fine shape. Par*
sonally, be stated, ha knew no ehnrgoa
against Dr. Saunders and those mads
by tha other members of the madioal
staff were only general.
Under questioning from Dr. Bat»
cock. Dr. Settlemeyer stated that ha
thought it was the doty of the mal*
doctors to lend every assistance in
their power to the female doctors;
that the profession was very arduous,
and that he considered from a ques
tion of ethics that all of the male doc
tors at the asylum should co-operate
with Dr. Saunden? in every way pos
sible. He praised both her and tha
work she was doing highly, said there
was no charge regarding her moral
character, and stated that he and Dr.
Babcock had gotten on wel} together.
He did not consider Dr. Babcock a
subordinate, but tho equal of ths re
gents in authority, and said ha
thought Dr. Babcock ought to hava
corns to ths regents with ths vfhola
matter and tha trouble might hava
been avoided.
The witness, ta rap*? uh
from Dr.
not know why Representative' O. L.
Saunders had not remained whan tha
regents went into executive eeeeioa
to hear the complaints against his
daughter, and certainly, ha said, ha
had no objection to his remaining.
He said he did not know why Mr. A.
M. Deal, the stenographer for Dr.
Saunders, was not allowed to remaip
at tbe meeting and why Col. John K.
Anil and Mr*. Sanders stayed, except
that Mrs. Sanders, he thought, had
been Invited to come as the stenog
rapher tor the board. Jost why tha
lady physician under inveetlgattoa
was not allowed to have her stenog
rapher present, he stid, ba conld hot
explain, and did not know. He stated
ha did not hear Gov. Biease enggaat
to Mr.. Deal that ha leave after it was
stated tha board waa going Into axeea-
tire saaslan. .
Col. John K. Anil brought ia tha
minutes of tha executive meeting of
tha board of raganta on December IS,
and reading from them
tive Stevenson «aked Dr.
if the raganta ware trying to oast Dr.
Saunders because aha waa not a'
Bleaeeite. The witness denied that
politics had anything to do with tfco
matter, or that they,had ever been
discussed by the regents at any of
thair meetings.
Dr. o©vwicmoywi d&q
Dm. Taylor aad Babcock,
Biveas, and
committee of the regents to revise i
rules under which the regents
working and to
general assembly tor Jbcir
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