Historical Newspapers of South Carolina

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Saunders, who eame down, and that Dr. Babcock showed Mr. Fred' Dominick stated in the p: euce ot Mias Bessie Allen that they would get rid of Babcock as soon An theyi. could find a suitable man. ae Governor aiuj Regeu|s t told of how Governor Blease h^d ' The'following Is Dr. J. W. Bab- i cock’s testimony before the commit- ' tee investigating the insane asylum f matter:'" , Dr. Babcock briefly sketched his appointment in 1891 by Senator Tlll- readily and willingly responded w him In preventing a threatenl^ strike ot the •nurses hnd In the resip- pointment of Dr. Saunders. He said, the hoard of regents aHjer tW July meeting passed a set of res- oltttions on motion of Dr. Taylor tlptt attorney was an o telegraph' e of the State- K. Hen: — ders, with Solicitor Henry, Dr. Coop er, with John J. McMahan, as his at torney, appeared at the, assembly room of the board of regents. Dr. Babcock said all were excluded ex cept himself, and he found gathered thtere the board of rftgihts, Governor r private Lnv.:^. self mm V-’ ■ “ap* 8«<5ceed.ing Dr.\ P. E- .Gri^p, n a ‘c^iiplainte ^hould, be heaM: frdm i and '‘bat ifp fo the first of 1 last July the suhordlnktes except fhhbag’h ■ the appointments of the subordinates at the asylum had been made by the board of regents after consultation ' with him and largely upon his advice and recommendation. By a rule 'passed last JuT? Ofe'VbpfenTS, Restat ed, assumed the power of making all appointments without consulting him, and\aftef July.! they had no com munication with him but went ahead and made a great ihany changes in the'Staff at the asylum. He Said he made a personal appeal to Governor Mease to have Dr. Eleanor B. Soun ders, the white lady doctor, retained, and through the governor’s In- . fluence she was kept He said he had I tio information and nothing to do kith the other appointments. He said the regents made no complaints to him as to subordinates, aigd those who. were replaced were entirely sat isfactory to him. He Said he had made some complaint to Dr. T. R. Carouthers, the chairman of the hoard, and the latter had; talJced to him about what he chose to call fric tion at the hospital between the medk. cal staff, and especially about the fric tion between Dr. Babcock, the super intendent, Dr." Thompson, his first assistant, and Dr. Griffin, a member of the medical staff. He said Dr. Griffin was “sore" because he would not discharge a nurse against whom complaint had been made, as he did not think there was anything in it. Dr. Babcock said the present board of regents was composed of Dr. T. R. Carouthers of Rock Hill, president, J. A. Summersett of Columbia, vice- president, J. D. Bivens of Ridgeville, J. H. Taylor of Columbia, and Dr. W ^lemeyec of Gaffney. He said fbvernor appointed the superin- lent and he is subordinate to the ter Ird. He substantiated Senator Tillman in his statement that it was Dr. Bab cock who gave the senator the infor jmation on which he based his confl- d'ential letter. He said he stopped to see Senator Tillman at Trenton on January 3 professionally, by request, when he w’as returning from Atlanta, v and during the day went over with film the situation at the State hos pital for the Insanfe, and especially the friction between himself and the ■board of regents and the efforts he said were being made to oust him and Dr. Saunders. He said he said noth ing about any “underlings and sate- Rtes’’ of Governor Blease trying to sell* the asylum property, but said that Policeman P.ishop, out at the fate park, had told him that Go rnor Blease had said he, the gov ernor, was in favor of selling the tate park property and retaining he building erected there and con certing it into a tuberculosis hos pital. He said W. H. Wylie,, the su- ? erintendent of the grounds at State ark, had first told him of this con versation Policeman Bishop had with (governor BJease about the sale of this Iproperty. He said the Informant went on to Wy that Governor Blease’s Idea was to retain the present asylum build ings in the city of Columbia for the wRlte patients and convert the penl- tlary building into a hospital for negro insane patients, for Che enttentl&ry wfl^Jd soon be depopu- lated, as ha pro thp convlcts pack'to thp couuty chMn He said he heard the gbv- gangs. He said he heard the gi emor make this same statement to Senator Weston during the meeting of the board of regents in ^December, said.he told Senator Tillman Ut' ChiN of Govertibr Blease’s. Ifir. Babcock Mdd JDr. Griffin was first appointed on the medical staff Aboht six ■years agO upon kls and Dr; B. W. Taylor’s recqmjnendatlon. said Dr. Griffin was' reappointed last July by the board of regents. Dr. Babcook harked back to the ifivestlga- tion In 1909 of the asykttn, which, he charged, was aimed at him, and said At that time Dr. [Thompson and the superintendent. That in spite of tils he had made complaint against Miss Quarles, a head nurse, for lack 5of loyalty, and had talked the matter over with Dr. Carouthers. He said later when going thfougfi the build ing With Dr. Grfm, the public health expert, he had met Dr. Carouthers In -eloso conversation with Miss-Quarl.es. He said he and M-. Garpdther#, chair man of the present board of regents went out to the State park, and when they returned Miss Quarles was standing with her grip in hand dress ed for the street, and she and Dr. Carouthers left at the same time. He said this may have been a coinci dence and then It may not have been How Drs. Carouthers, Settlemeyer and J. D. Bivens held a meeting with all of the subordinates of the asylum staff in the St. John Hotel and fram ed up a slate, the witness said, was told him by Governor Blease himself. That they had offered Dr. Saunders’ place to Dr. Mary Baker Blackburn but later she had declined, and-they had tendered it to E. P. Derrick of Lexington. He said that Mr. Domi- niek told x him the, regents had called, up the subordinates from the attor ney general’s office. He said that he told Governor Blease if the board re moved Dr.^Saunders from taking In struction from Dr. Cooper , in .the TVosSamer tesPt for examining pa tients for certain diseases, he would resign and would praclaim the action of the hoard of regents, to the people of the State. He said he told Col. E. H. Aull and the latter took ^ friendly interest in the matter .and tried to settle it, and finally did so, and he thought the Incident was closed. Dr. Babcock said that Dr. Coopef had been recently replaced as pathol ogist by Dr. Blackburn, and the lat ter knew nothing of using the “Vos- samer test” for determining the char actfer of certain diseases from the blood, and {hat Dr. Cooper had been since that time instructing Dr. Saun ders in this test, and It was this to which the board objected, said the witness. He said Dr. Saunders had used this test op over 600 white wo men patients under her charge and she had found about 6 per cent, of them infected with syphillis. Dr. Babcock said he told Repre sentative O. L. Saunders, father of Dr. Saunders, about the Complaint of the board of regents against her dur ing the fair, and that he knew noth ing more of the matter until Novem ber 15, when he received a letter from Governor BJejlBf'ordering him to discharge Dr. Saunders. When asked for this letter he said he con sidered it confidential, and Repre sentative Stevensqn was pressing him for it and had stated that Governor Blease was present and could say whether or not he was willing for It to be produced, pr. Babcock stated that he would not care to offer it in evidence unless he'had the consent of Governor Blease, vphen the governor suddenly-arese frdm where he was sitting and said to Chairman Mauldin that he did not care to have ills name handled about by his political ene mies and he suggested that if Mr. Mauldin, was chairman to act as chairman, and he, the governor, would he willing to reply to any qMetloiu the chaiman acked. There upon Mr, MtuldlBUskad if he con sented-for the latter to be read, and the governor said they could reafiJIjat pf any. other letter he hayever writ ten, or anything he had said or done. Dr. Babcpck then reajy the .letters, Wplch are printed In another col unto. Dr. Babcdek Wef hfis reply to Gov ernor BTease’s first letter was framed after consultation with Col. B. lL. Abney and after he had talked wijth Attorney General Peeples In an effort tp^Obtain a personal interview wijth the governor, which the latter refus ed to accord him. Blease with hitf private secretary. Col. John K. Aull; Dr. Saunders and Drs. Thompsbp^ Glidin''Blackbhrn, Toole and Fulmer, with, the rtegenta. He said the board In executive sea, sion heard the'charges, of thd medi- calr staff against Dr. Skudders. What Dr. Babcock declared was one of the most striking incidents of that hearing behind closed doors was a question asked of Dr. Griffin by Governor Blease. According to the witness, the governor asked Dr. Grif fin: “Dr. Griffin, Di^ Saunders is a ain&le. wopjan, is she. not?” and Dr. Babcock gaid that Dr. Griffin replied a sneering manner, “She ,is sup- Th» Inveattgatton Reveals a Met Ungallant Fight Being Made Dr .Satuulers, a Lady Physician the Asylum, by the Governor gad the Board of Regents. South Carolina obtained a full fhok Governor- Blease tegtlfiedAbefore the legislative committee charged With investigating that Institution. The curtain was raised over %he turmoil above given, cap flta him. the !■ «tl So, let him will feel better, for thin explanation, f will any right here (for tt Is a good my clerfca misunderstood my onion, ovary one at the senators in Columbia received a copy of thla aohly marked personal letter*.' It is tbs custom in ay office to mark all Mek letten personal, bat, as was the case last summer, my confidante* vfei betrayed, and the usage existing ani<mg gentlemen ofkeeplng personal letters from the public wag violated. This letter must have fauen into the hands of one of the ‘satellites end underlings, gpvernor;g - —- _ Jand'his into the affairs at the State Hospital oome te .any glory or honor he,baa for the Insane Saturday when Sena* received tor his ungentlemanly! be- tor Tillman, Dr. J. ,W- Bibcock, and 'fcavior.' teftlfi 1 J" >; V H^j A. D. iaisMZmi Governor Blease sat about the mid dle of the room and heard every word of Senator Tillman’s testimony end pr r Babcock, Among the and dissension apd tho-.pfobe will go ^poctiftPnurere the board of regents, to the bottom. Senator B. R. Till- Assi’^injt attorney General Dominick, in posed 1 to be.’* Aftdrwarde, according to the witness, Dr. Saunders told Dr. Griffin she considered his reply an insult, whereupon, after stumbling and halting over the answer, he blurt ed out, “Oh! I didn’t mean it that way.” Dr. Babcock said it was J. D. Biv ens who offered the resolution de manding the remoWil of Dr. Saun ders, which Dr. Taylor moved to table, but which motion was lost. Then, Dr. Babcock said, he pjpaded with the board not to condemn an innocent and noble woman like Dr. Saunders apd to keep her, and upon Governor Blease’s request the resolu tion was withdrawn. Dr. Babcock said that Dr. Saunders broke down and he let her out of the room, and he said that Governor Blease said the regents should not be dictated to, and that the governor after the meet ing told him to keep Dr. Saunders and that ho saw he .(Babcock) and Dr. Thompson could not stay togeth- er. It was through Col. E. H.'Aull, de clared Dr. Babcock;' that he learned of the plan whereby he was to be re placed and Dr. Thompson was to be made superintendent of the asylum, Dr. Carouthers first assistant and Dr. Sttlemeyer put in charge of the work at State park. How the board in January passed resolutions condemning him and Dr. Saunders, and then the next day re fused the request of her father to re open the investigation and passed an- roan, Dr. J. W, Babcock and Gov ernor Blease appeared .as witnesses. A short synopsis oftbefr testimony la printed below. s / > - ‘ • It was shown that friction existed and had existed for some time ha- tween Dr. J. W. Babcock, the super intendent, and the board of regents of the asylum, and the bone of con tention was Dr. Saunders, a lady phy sician connected with the medical staff, and a daughter Of Representa tive O. L. Saunders of York county. The regents wanted Dr. Saunders dis charged because they charged she was interfering with the other mem bers of the medical staff, and,partic-i fiarly because she permitted Dr. Cooper, who had been discharged, to keep instructing her, which was ob jected to by Dr. Blackburn, who had been elected to succeed Dr. Cooper, because, he alleged, interference with his workr' Insubordination on the part of his subordinates, brought about because the regents elected people openly an tagonistic to him, and who ignored his ‘authority, and demoralized the running of the asylum, was stressed by Dr. Babcock. He also charged that efforts were being made by the regents to oust him, and that Dr Thompson, his first assistant, was scheming to get his place, and that another ring-leader in the insubordi nation was Dr. Griffin, a son of the man who was turned out of the superintendency of the asylum„4xy Governor Tillman, and whom Dr. Babcock succeeded. Pr. Babcock In- manjf' members of the House and Sen ate. Representative Stevenson con ducted the direct examination of Sen ator Tillman. Senator Tillman said he got the information contained In the confi dential letter made a part of Gov- trod uced letters to show Governor other set of resolutions exonerating lia ^ ordered him to dismiss {.the around making t .false accusations at hint. ■ Be said that P. L, Har- and Mr. Carey told him that Dr. fompson had oome to the oommlt- one night and wanted to retract certain chargee he had made against Dr. Babcock, bnt the next day failed •eaM that* notwithstanding all 4he work done against him by th?se two. he Had tot allowed it to itfterton hia work or thelre, and ha ad- communicatlon with Col. Aull and the Dr.'Hi hail 44ne him hu..lattfit.cantetotheayylujn,^*the 1«- ainn they could by runtflag mf, Whitt xo G fJovernpV Blease V house and., came hack in about two hours and announced Everything was tied. ■ He Paid tie governor, as Anil related, judd he would drop matter u Dr. Cooper wae kept a from the asylnm, and Dr. Ba said he so told Dr. Cooper, and considered the incident closed. , BsCaccordlng to Dr. Babcock, the matter smouldered, until the next thieF he knew it 1 broke opt on Da sher 11, when he received word thd Board of rodents that they Dr. Saunders, was related by the wit ness. Dr. Babcock paid a high tri bute to the work and efficiency of Dr. Saunders, declaring her to be the best help in ab. asylum that he had come In contact with in all his long expe rience. He said she was not only up lifted her own department, but tried to help along the work in other de partments, and she'^did not meddle, as charged. \ - Dr. Babcock laid the friction to jealousy on the part of the other doc tors to Dr. Saunders’ work and her fine record. He said any apparent “ofilciousness” on the part of Dr. Saunders came frontier zeal in up lifting and upbuilding the asylum in all departments. Why Dr. Cooper, who was replaced by Dr. Blackburn, when Dr. Cooper was familiar with the “Vossamer test” for finding syphillitic presence in blood of pa tients, and Dr. Blackburn knew nothing of this very important mat ter, would have to be explained by the board of regents, said Dr. Bab cock. .... Dh Babcqck testified that ’ there were about l y ,765 patients in the asy lum and that the health of the in mates was very good except the pel lagra patients, of whom 901 had beeii admitted to the asylum in the last six years. Insubordination of the medical staff and the assertion that he had been Ignored since the first of last July and had been practically with out any authority since then, and that Drs. Thompson and Griffin were re elected by the board of regents when they knew these men were disloyal to, his, were statements made by Dr. .hcock. He said that Dr. Saunders was the only loyal member of the present staff. * Dr. Babcock said that .Governor Blease told him that Drs. Thompson and Griffin were mean men, and everybody knew tt. Dr. Babcock was on the stand about two hours and a hall,.and just before leaving tt In re ply to a question from Senator Till man, stated that when he was ap pointed Govecnor Tillman told him that any goyerner who would bring The fcardea of the to A, D. OUter, the hank la Climax, shifted to the shoulders, of brother* now to seel duras. Oliver was ire] days ago front too prison Mississippi after co that he was toe vietim et strangest cases of misteh to real Ufe or fiction. • . Oliver claims he has a twin blath er whom he resembles so closely toed he has been compelled to esrve> time for ail of hie brother's evimee aed escapades to the South. v < Olivsr Is now to Dee oounty. Go* ready to begin Ufe anew After serving five years in prison convicted jOf Oburges of bigamy And obtaining money under false prqtenfes. { pllver Claims both these offenses were com mitted by his twin brother. assembly from Dr. J. W. Babcock. That the latter visited him at Tren ton and while there told him of the hostility of the board of regents and of an effort which he declared was being made to remove Mm and Dr. Saunders, his lady assistant, and alao gave him the information about an alleged effort being made to smirch his and Dr. Saunders’ character. As far as the statements In his letter about the “underlings and ssCeflttes of Governor Blease trying to manip ulate the sale of the asylum proper- ty” was concerned the senator ex- OHver’s pretty young wife, a so-' clety belle and the daughter of a prominent resident of Climax, Ga., be- _,, , ... , Ueved the charges brought against ernor Blease’s message to the general ^8^ and ba. married anoth- The witness said he again got iTitojpolitics into the asylum should be im peached. There’was a passage of words be tween the governor and Dr. Babcock following the introduction of two let- tert, written by the governor in which the resignation of Dr. Saunders was urged, in these letters it was stated by the goverapr that he had heard some talk while to Newberry Dr. Saunders, which he declined to do, and he paid a high trlbj**e to her worth and efficiency and made tt clear that he had stood by her and if she went he would go, too. While Dr. Babcock was on the stand he was pressed by the investi gating committee to tell what he knew about rumored reports affect ing Dr, Saunders, his assistant, who is a woman. In reply he began “to re late a conversation which he said occurred at the home of Governor Blease’s sister. W’hen Dr. Babcock reached the word; “stater’*. Governor Blease, who was present at thtTln- quiry, sprang to h-ls feet with the ex clamation, “This is false.” The gov ernor then forbade Dr. Babcock to drag his sister’s name into it, threat ening to put him where he could not talk if he did so. Dr. Babcock was not aj all frightened by the gov ernor’s attitude and said he would answer any question asked him. -He also stated that Col, E. H., Aull told him the conversation referred to above occurred at the residence of Governor Blease’s sister. The Supreme court room was filled with spectators when Senator Till man walked in a little after 10 o’clock by himself. The senator look ed surprisingly well and it was with his old time vigor and manner which has endeared him to so many of the Carolinians that he shook hands with friends In the room. At his request a chair was placed for him inside the raj)/when he was ready to testify, and as he passed by the press stand to take his seat he shook hands with the newspaper men. Senator Tillman spoke In a clear voice, which was easily heard by every one In the room, and,’ as usual, stated his facts in clear, short and not to be misun derstood words. He spoke straight from the shoulder and appeared more like the Tillman who swept South Carolina in 1890 that he has tor years. • , -. Senator Tillman Testifies. "Anticipating the question, ‘What did you mean by Governor Blease’s satellites and underlings?* 1 have written out mjr answer. These two are very plain English words, easily understood, and the dictionary will pTa!ned that he~got this idea, which was simply an opinion, from reading the newspapers and because it was In the air. He said this was an intui tive sense. He said he had no direct Information on either subject. He said he appointed Dr. Babcock super intendent of the asylum In 1891, and he alone was responsible for the re moval of Dr. Griflln, , - The senator read a written reply to a question about tiie "underlings and satellites”, and literally excoriat ed the person who turned his confi dential ‘letter over to Governor Blease. He referred to tt as a cow ardly betrayal of confidence, similar to his experience of last summer, and said the State senator who gave the governor the letter, he hoped, got all ^ie glory and pleasure out of tt possible. His excoriation bristled with the old time Tillman scorn and vitriol. He said that about two weeks ago Dr Babcock had written him asking that Dr. Grim, In the United States health service In Savannah, be per mitted to come and testify if the committee wanted him, and that Dr. Rupert Blue had given this permis sion. ' r In reply to a question from, Sena tor Young, Senator Tillman said Dr.' Babcock had succeeded Dr. Griffin, and it was .a son of this latter man now on the medical staff, bnt doesn’t know the young doctor, and Is not familiar with who appointed him. Senator Tillman said that he, and he alone, was responsible for the fir ing of former Superintendent Griffin and the appointment of Dr. Babcock In 1891. Governor "Blease’s Testimony. Standing within three feet of Sena tor Tillman and directly In front of the bar of the Supreme Court, Gover nor Blease presented his side of the matter before the Asylum investigat ing committee. He said that he came into office intending to fire £>r, Bab cock because he thought be bad be trayed his friend, the late James H. Tillman, but after a ride with Dr. Babcock one Sunday morning, -soon after he came into office he learned some things in a confidential conver sation which', he, ae.a gentleman, would npt tell, adding: “I hope that wiU soak to.** V- He declared that he named Dr, Houseal for,Dr. Babcock’s place to show what he thought of Dr. Houseal after the Legislature had refused to elect him a trustee of the Medical Col- er. Oliver claims that the man who replaced him plotted thia part of hto misfortune. "It was my brother who married the other_ womta," Oliver asserts. "While wa ware still youngsters our parents died. A family by the nanto of Harding adopted my brother and he took their name; That is bow bo came by that name Instead ot Oliver. That is how it comes about that I have been charged with crimes under that name and been made to appear as Jiving a double Ufe.** ©liver eaiefed Climax, Ga., as a poor man. After he had established a bank he purchased timber lands, mills, and a mercantile business. In fact, tt wis said he was buying “everything in sight”. Hs married the daughter of a prominent business manEPftd appeared to be prospering. Then the crash came. His hank was on the point of bankruptcy. He started for New York on a businaas trip, but supiclous depositors feared he was trying to run away and mob bed him. The arrest and conviction followed. was said to have taken place to a room adjoining the governor’s. One ot the members of tosvcommittoe pressed Dr. Babcock aa to who made the statement!. At drat he refused to make a statement, bnt later he said that Col. E. H. Aull had told him that It was a relative of thE governor. The governor denounced thia state ment an false and advanced to toe front. There was a rapid fire con versation between Dr. Babcock and the governor. The governor told 1dm concerning Dr. fianndern. The toUnlthat he could not bring to the name of a female relative. Dr. told the governor that the committee ed to the purchase of State Park, and his Idea was to sell the property and to retain the buildings for tuberculo sis or pellagra hospital, use the pres ent Asylum buildings to Colubie for white patients and convert the Atate Penitentiary into a hospital for tho negro patients. He said the .peniten tiary would soon be depopulated, as he Intended sending the convicts hack to the county chain gangs, and ha hoped by August 1 to have all of them" on the road. He said be had turned out 108 recenfty and more were com ing, and some people could not help themselves. 4 He upheld the right of the regents to make changes at (he Hospital and romped all over Dr. Babcock for what herttaid was lack of attention to hia duties. He declared that someone had told him that Dr. Babcock had not been in some of the wards for twelve years and he wanted to khow if Dr. Babcock was the only man to the State who could hold the position, as some people seemed fo think. He de clared there were no charges Dr. Saunder’s moral character, b{| said she had been Interfering with thl other members of the medical staffl and referred to the charges against! her as being of this natare. He said ha didn’t consider it de cent for women to he testing for syphillis and such like diseases. Looking directly at Senator TUL man, Governor Blease said: "If he were the giant ha once was, I wonld sense of obligation to hia chief im pelled him to betray It. Whoever he jmay be, and I hash no idea, ha is wat ch alien ga the writer of this latter, to the public rostrum to Join debate, but God has laid the hand of affliction on him and he could not recent what 1 might say, and I will do as a gentle man should, and past by hto treat ment of me and remember him at used to be,** X leye, saying that he knew Dr. Houseal would hot accept ••>-* ; \t The Governor told ot having need hto Influence with the board to re tain Dr. Saunders, and of h)s refusal to accept DA Babcock’s resignation on September 17 last, and aatd.be thought U. some outside . influences who were wanting to sell thp Asylum property would let Dr. Babcock alone he and the regents Vrould work - In harmony. He said that he was oppoe- inform any Ignoramus of their mean- % ‘Satellite—A follower; particu larly, a subservient or obsequio* fol lower or attendant; a subordinate at tendant' " 'Underling—One Who to subor dinate to another, especially to mean or aerrile capacity; hence, a Vdoek whan the wap pressing him for an Tkn subject Ifted by the committee and the governor^jralked back to Inean, aorry "I have atoraya bean credited with ' convey my and of that faculty. I have 4 He declared that ha would veto Sap appropriation made for farther work at State Park or tor the tele of the PTO* 611 * Asylum property In Columhto and referred to his veto ot tola bin. He atld ha thought this investigation was a mlstakfi, aa it was crestiqg a great .stir ojut of nothing and causing people to wonder why Dr. Saunden to investigated when there is nothing against her to Investigate.' Ha said ha thought that Dr. Babcpck and toe board of regents ought to go back, taka a drink of Congaree water and work together to elarc^ hto" intention of aol i Dr. Thompsoj|, Utoeeaor to J cock shoutortJr. Vabeotk not i a recess aat continued.