The times and democrat. (Orangeburg, S.C.) 1881-current, February 22, 1906, Page 3, Image 3
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WHAT HE KNOWS
About Frand in the Management
of the Dispensary.
SENATOE TILLMAN
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Gives Testimony Before the Investigate
Jng Committee in Columbia. He
N Says That Circumstantial Evi
dcncelPoints to Much
Thieving?
The Columbia correspondent of the
Augusta Cbroniole says there was no
standing room on Tuesday night of
last week in the aiple or galleries cf
the hall of the house of representa
tives when Senator Tillman took the
stand to testify bpfore the dispensary
investigating committee. Senator
Tillman wa?* on the stand over two
w'urR. and though he Is not a man to
w's'e words in comlner to the onfn^
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bis evtd.-tcj disclosed nothing new.
Still what re bad to say was received
with muc i interest and frequently he
was appl .uried generally. He often
turned the tables on the attorneys
question.in him, these incidents
causing-laughter to his favor. At
times tbe bearing resembled a typical
Tillman campaign meeting. The sen
ator arranged a seat for himself on
top the speaker's desk so that ehe
could see and he seen by tbe entire
bouse. When bo mounted tbe desk
and sat down be was vigorously ap
plauded.
?'Have you any Hn formation in re
gard to an" graft, rebate or improper
dealing on the part of any dispensary
official or any record about the dis
pensary, Senator Tillman?'* was Mr.
Lyons' first question.
"In order to be able to have myselt
so aright and have the committee
understand just what I know and
what 1 kon'o know and what I believe
upon very strong evidence, I will have
to answer that question in my own
way.
"As to knowing sp'Cifically of any
instance of my knowledge that any
such thing has occurred I answer. nr.
And as for the iea.on which have In
fluenced me in saying what 1 have
?aid in interviews and in speeches 1
win <ive the foundation for my opin
ion"
Here Senator Tillman trm,r t< read
a recent advertisement of the board
for bids. Ll_,
"I have one other question," Inter
rupted Mr. Lyon, "while you were In
charge of tbe dispensary, did you re
ceive any money In rebates, graft, or
In any Improper way from the Mill
Creek Distillery Co.?"
"I did not.".
"Did you receive it from any
source?"
"No."
Se. ator Tillman went on ^explain
that be bad twice volunteered tocome
before the committee, and though he
was exceedingly busy in Washington
and as a United States senator was not
within the jurisdiction of the com
mittee, he came because the commit
tee was ready for him. After reading
the advertisement, Senator Tillman
said:
:. ?idence8 of gbaft.
"I have bad no time to get up any
papers to produce the necessary basis
for a legal argument. I am not a law
yer as you all know, but I will call
attention to this circular, and any
man here who ohoses to examine tbe
faots under tbe dispensary law will
see that it required that purchases
for the state dispensary shall be made
by sompetlti e bids, and I say most
emphatically that this method of
purchasing has not one element of
competition in it, and the law there
fore as I understand it has been vit
iated absolutely and without regard
to the oath of c like or other conse
quences, by those responsible servants
of tbe people or of the legislature, I
should say, and not tbe people who
have been placed in charge of this
business involving a million and a half
or two million dollars.
"Why do I say that there is no
competition in tbe bidding? Let me
say to vou that 'One-X' rye is not to
be bid or for less than ,31.50. What
is jX-rye? There is no definition
whatever under this specification that
woulU establish the test of what one
X-rye is. No man living can tell by
this advertisement what kind of liqu
uor he is bidding on, except the price
and the price is fixed with the kind of
brand in any barrel which he might
choose to sell and send here ont-X
twc-X or four-X and no man living,
chemist of nobody else, can detect
tbe difference and be able to prevent
fraud on the state.''
Eboard violated the law. ,
Accusing tha board of also violot
ing the law in allowing discontinu
ance of request blanks and criticising
It for tl e revelations about bottles
and labels and whiskey, Senator
Tillman shouted: ?
"This smoke has been getting very
big, and it seems to me stealing has
been go.ng on hero. 1 bad the coui
age to t-.ay it as I believe It, and tha;
In all there is to It, that Is the base
af it.
JNow, who has got it 1 don't know.
I will say in this connection, I wa. t
to see this committee probe this
thing to the very root. Go back to
the beginning and come on down, or
begin here and go back, whichever
Fou chose, just bo you travel in tbe
road from end to end, investigate
Govornors Tillman, Evans, Ellerbe,
and McSweeny. I demand it so far as
I am concerned. I have nothing to
conceal or to be afraid of from an in
vestigation by any mortal, either alive
or dead, which could be brought out
against me. (Applause.)
accused him of stealing.
"Ten or twelve years ago there
were accusations, charges, insinua
tions, sneers appearing in certain
newspapers, and uttered by certain
people, that I had lined my pockets
witn rebates and had gotten rich.
Wben I left the governor's office in
1894, I return? d to my home in Edge
Held. I bad occasion to buy some land
for the purpose of getting a home on
the railroad. I was born and reared
ten miles from a depot or a telegraph
office. Having been elected to the seu
ite of the United States it was neces
sary that I should get in touch with
the world more intimitely, so 1
ocught a plantation at Trenton, for
which I paid cash. This buzzing in
the air, these slanders and these lies,
I will say, going about the country,
notwithstanding the reople had pass
ed on them by electing me?these
'Mugs caused some people to go to
E Ige field and Bearcb the records to
see what I had. The probe of the
enemies of Ben Tillman went into my
individual business. My friend, W. A
Clark, president of the Caroline Na
tional bank came out and stated tha*
he had loaned me from his bank the
full amount of the purchase money,
86,000, because I had entered public,
life poor, and if there Is any credit to
claim it, I am poor yet. (Applause.
"I want to say without presuming
to orlticise you gentlemen of the com
mitte, you know your business ano
you ought to be able to discharge it
intelligently without suggestions from
me?when I saw from the newspapers
that your members had gone about
trying to find out something about
the present financial status of the
present members of the board, ft was
understood that von could not go into
such things as that. Why make thesf
discriminations? I had to endure it
Are these men any better than I am?
i If public money has found its way
i into official's private pockets, it is
, your duty to investigate it and cot
honeygfuggje, but go to the bottom in
any way possible." (Applause).
MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING IN EP.
Ohairman Hay: "Where is your au
. thority for that?"
Senator Tillman: "I am giving cir
cumstantial evidence coupled with
, various, statements that have been
! brought out in evidence and it is in
evitably my conclusion that no man
. would prostitute his office and disobey
the law so brazenly and openly in
making purchases for the state, at.
' these exorbitant rates over and above
j prices people in other states are pay
ing, if there was not something in it
, for him. That is the logic of tbe slt
, uation. Circumstantial evidence is
j the strongest evidence when it will
bold, and it is very week when it will
. not hold. Why would any man object
to his private affairs being Investiga
ted If his oharacier is involved? I
, cannot see bow any man can refuse to
have the fullest investigation made
in a financial way or In anv other way
if his name is Involved. If he owns
any poperty he ought to be able to
explain where he got it and where the
money came from."
Senator Tillman then went into a
minute description of the brands of
whiskey that had been bought m-de
als administration, hUVtrip to d ff ;i
eut parts of the whiskey sections of
the country, the manner of manufac
turing the different brands, the pr.ceb
piid for same and the manner in
which purchased.
OPPOSED BAD WHISKEY.
Mr Lyon: "Did you ever request
Boy. McSweeney to make any pur
chase from the Mill Creek Distillery
Co., at a higher price than tue B iss
Co., f Sered, and if so what was paid
on it?"
Senator Tillman: "I do not recol
lect thatl ever did, probably I did. I
thought the man who stood by the
dispensary in its infancy ought not to
be thrown overboard, because some
rectifier from Baltimore or elsewnere
would come down here and offer rot
gut to us at lower prices."
Mr. Lyon: "Sofar as I amimfornc
ed the committee has no other ques
tion to ask, unless some individual
member has or the board of dlrrctors
who stand under accusation as I un
derstand It. They may possibly di
al re to be beard through their repn
aentatixesi"
QUESTIONED BY DEFDN8E.
General Bellinger, who represents
the directors Bey kin and To will, pro
ceeded to question Senator Till
man. "
"Your intention in rffarirg your
to tbe committee was to testify as a
witness?"
"I did not offer myself to the com
mittee except under this condition:
Tbe newspapers were sneering and
using every imaginable arg j men
against the dispensary and sug testet
that Senator Tillman ought to conn
before the committee and tel. wba
he knows. I bad been making
speeches and feeling then as now. 1
-?as willing to give any light I could
I did not have as. auch information
then as now but I was ready to ap
pear before tbe committee whsnevei
they, wanted mei"
Q Your idea in coming before
he committee v. as to nake a speech
before tbe committee was it not, or t(
ttitii/j l facts which you joursell
ere arq^ain1 ed with ?"
A. "I did not feel like making a
speech. I have plenty of opportuni
ties to make speechi s.
Q "You will pbase answer my
question Senator. Your intention in
coming before tbe committee was for
what purpose?"
A "To make a suggestion, that
they might get a truth '!
Q "Did you not on several occa
sions at various places in this state,
ind perhaps in Washington once or
twice, state that there was collusion i
and fraud and you cc uld prove it?"
A. What I stated was In the 1
papers.
Q. That you could prove It?
A. That I could prove it from cir
cumstantial evidence, which I have
adduced.
Q. You wanted to come here to
vindicate yourself?
A. I have nothing to vindicate.
Nobody has charged me with any
thing. What do you mean by vindi
cating my position?
Q.' Wnon you charged tbe dispen
sary board, the present managers of
that board, with fraud, and stated
that the dispensary By stem was good
and . ouo thing to do was to turn
out hi pre ent thieves, Ls that th>
poi ' you desired to oome down
nere and sustain yourself on?
A. I did not desire to come hprp
at all, if somebody had not asked thaO,
I come and you are the very man, It
believe who did. But for that I wou d
be in Washington now.
STANDS ON niS RECORD.
Q. Don't you think representing
a* 1 did some of the members of tbe
hoard when I asked this committee tc
bring you here, that vcu should try tv
prove what you said you could prove?
A. So far as I am concerned, I dir
not think anything about it. I stand
m my record, Btand on my character,
stand on what I am aDd what I have
done.
q. You have said that you wer
charged by many people in this stat<
with lining your pockets with rebates
ind commissions when you were man
aging this dispensary.
A, Yes sir.
q, And a great many people Id
?be state believed that
A. Yes I believe they did. Do you
wart to know my reason?
q. No use to give that now.
A. Ah, you do not want my opin
ion now? (the crowd laughed )
q. You can give, said Mr. Bel
linger.
A. I look at It from this Rtanr1
or-iot. There 1b no doubt if I baa
?jteu corrupt, and wanted to mcikt
money out of my position as governoi
m buying whiskey, 1 could have dona
It. There is no use to dispute that
proposition. It is too self evident.
Taose men who were my enemhssaw
I no'lH rln It. If T so wlllorl an<S thoy
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